Update: We found a very interesting article on Serial Killers http://daddu.net/25-seriously-disturbing-serial-killers-from-around-the-world/
Serial killers — you’d be hard-pressed to spot them in a crowd. They look just like everyone else. In fact, most of them are soft-spoken and polite. Their monstrous nature comes through only when you delve deeper into their personalities, actions and habits.
Reading the gruesome tales of serial killers sends a chill up the spine. Most of them seem to have had a dysfunctional family setting and were abused as children — emotionally, sexually or verbally. It’s as if this activates some psychological trigger in their minds, increasing the feelings of inadequacy or worthlessness, and causing them to seek out their own heinous form of release.
There have been hundreds of serial killers in the history of America, and there are a few that tend to stay in the minds of citizens, becoming “famous.”
Here are just a few of the (in)famous serial killers that have walked the streets of our nation, in no particular order. There may be many others that are notorious or have killed more people, but we picked a few of the more famous killers that truly shocked us.
Ed Gein (Killings between 1947 and 1957)
Known as history’s most inspirational killer, his character became a central element in many films, including Alfred Hitchcock’s thriller Psycho and the character of Buffalo Bill in The Silence of the Lambs, among others.
Modus Operandi
Gein was a serial killer who skinned his victims, exhumed corpses, and decorated his home with parts of his victims’ bodies. Human skin was used to make dust bins, furniture, and even clothes.
Background
Gein was born in 1906 as the younger of two boys. He had a weak alcoholic father and a domineering mother who was deeply religious. He was said to be very attached to her. She taught them about immorality and the evils of women and sex and discouraged their sexual desires. He turned into an effeminate and shy boy.
His father died as a result of his alcoholism and later his brother Henry, who used to criticize his mother about Gein’s unhealthy attachment to her, died in a mysterious fire. The younger boy was later suspected.
Fantasies
With nobody to control him after his mother passed away, Gein became obsessed with sexual fantasies and female anatomy. Fascinated by the human experiments performed in Nazi camps, he started robbing graves to perform experiments of his own, including exhuming his own mother’s body. The experiments became gruesome and cannibalistic. He had the desire to turn himself into a woman and would create breasts out of human skin and drape them over himself. He believed that for a sex change, he would need fresh bodies and thus started his killing spree, which was said to be because of his love-hate relationship with his mother.
House of Horrors
When police finally caught up with him, they found a variety of gruesome sights — hanging corpses with their throats and heads missing, bowls made of skulls, pieces of jewelry made of human skin, hanging lips, skin upholstery for chairs, and masks made of facial skin and vulva (including his mother’s) that were painted silver. The most shocking discovery was perhaps his mother’s heart, which was found in a pan on the stove.
Killings and Sentence
Police counted 15 women as his victims. Gein told the police that he never had sex with any of the dead women as “they smelled too bad.” His fascination with women was because of the power they held over men. Gein was admitted to Waupan State Hospital and died of cancer at the age of 78.
Ted Bundy (Killings between 1974 and 1978)
Ted Bundy proved that even the devil can be attractive. Bundy was one of the most infamous serial killers in American history. He was handsome, charming and cultured, all traits playing a role in his ability to rape and murder numerous young women. He even engaged in necrophilia (sexual attraction or involvement with corpses).
Modus Operandi
Bundy had unique techniques of luring his victims. He would drink alcohol before approaching potential victims, even in a crowd or in broad daylight, and gain their trust by faking an injury with his arm in a fake cast or a sling. He would at times act as a policeman or fire department personnel. After luring victims to his car, he would hit them on their head with a crowbar. He then raped and assaulted them sexually before strangling and mutilating them.
This good looking maniac used to visit the corpses several times at the Taylor Mountain body dump site, apply makeup to them, and sleep with them till they putrefied.
Background
One of the theories says that he started killing people as early as 14 years old. Many of his victims are said to have a physical resemblance to his first girlfriend.
Bundy was born Theodore Robert Cowell in 1946 in Burlington, Vermont to an unmarried mother of 22. He gets his name from his stepfather. He was made to believe by his grandparents that he was their son and that his mother was actually his sister.
He was a good student, and like most young people devastated when his first love left him. Bundy didn’t deal with the grief as most people do though. He spent years trying to get her back, and when he did he started killing innocent people and then dumped his girlfriend just as she dumped him.
Killings and Sentence
He was executed in 1989 after confessing to 40 murders.
Before his execution, he revealed that his addiction to pornography led him to do what he did. He said that there are many people out there who were addicted and nothing is being done about them.
One of Bundy’s famous quotes – “We serial killers are your sons, we are your husbands, we are everywhere. And there will be more of your children dead tomorrow.”
David Berkowitz – Son of Sam (Killings between 1976 and 1977)
Better known as the Son of Sam or the .44 killer, David Berkowitz is a New York City serial killer who killed six people and wounded many others. His crimes became famous because of his letters to the media and the police, in addition to the reason he committed these crimes.
Reason for Killing
Berkowitz gave an odd reason for killing – he claimed that to keep the demons quiet, he started doing what they wanted. When dogs howled, he started believing that these dogs were demons asking him to kill women. He was convinced that his house owners, Jack and his wife, were part of the demon conspiracy and Jack was the commander in chief of all the dogs.
Later he shifted into another apartment but was still controlled by the demons in his mind. His new neighbor, Sam Carr, had a black Labrador which Berkowitz believed was possessed. He shot the dog. That did not provide any relief as he began believing that Sam Carr was possessed by the biggest demon, and perhaps Satan himself. Each night these demons told Berkowitz to kill and quench their thirst for blood.
He also used to write letters to the police and media, essentially taunting them with details of his killings.
Background
David Berkowitz, born 1953, was an adopted son of a middle class family in the Bronx. Although his parents loved him, Berkowitz carried a lot of anger and guilt inside him as he felt responsible for the death of his natural mother, who he was told died giving birth to him. Experts believe that could be the reason for his aggressive behavior.
He was devastated when his mother died of cancer and his father remarried and relocated to Florida, leaving him behind when he was 18.
Later he found out that his natural mother was alive and that he had a sister. There was a reunion, butit was too late for him by then as he preferred his isolation and delusions.
Killings and Sentence
Berkowitz received a 365 year prison sentence and told the FBI that he invented the “Son of Sam” stories to convince the court that he was out of his mind. He then said the real reason he killed was partly because he hated his mother for leaving him and partly his failure with women. He felt sexually aroused when he killed women, and he killed six of them.
John Wayne Gacy (Killings between 1972 and 1978)
A respected member of the Junior Chamber of Commerce, a precinct captain in the local Democratic party, the owner of a contracting business and a performing joker at children’s parties, John Wayne Gacy seemed as normal as they come.
He came to be known as one of the most prolific serial killers in U.S. history.
Modus Operandi
Gacy lured his victims into handcuffs in the pretext of showing them a pair of trick handcuffs he used in his clown act. He’d then dare the youth to free themselves. Once the boys were handcuffed, he would use either a rope or a board across their throats to kill them while he raped them.
Background
Gacy was born into a blue-collar family in 1942 and had two sisters. His father was an abusive alcoholic who verbally and physically abused his children. Gacy deeply loved his father and strived to please him, but failed.
He had the ability to persuade an manipulate people, likely because of how normal and harmless he seemed on the outside. He later got married and had two kids of his own, but his wife left him when he was arrested for trying to coerce a fellow employee into homosexual acts.
Another thing to note is that he injured his head by falling off a swing when he was 11 years old. He suffered from blackouts until he was 16, and then was diagnosed with a blood clot and the condition was corrected.
Killings and Sentence
When Gacy realized that police were about to arrest him, he surrendered himself. He told them, “There are four Johns” (similar to multiple personalities) — one was a contractor, another a clown, one a politician, and the fourth went by the name Jack Hanley, and he did evil things.
Gacy confessed to more than 24 murders and drew a map to 28 graves under his house and garage. He also said he threw five others into the Des Plaines River.
He was executed with a lethal injection on May 10, 1994. His last meal consisted of fried chicken, Coke, French fries and strawberry shortcake. His last words were, “Kiss my ass.”
Jeffrey Dahmer – Monster (Killings between 1978 and 1991
This Milwaukee serial killer murdered boys of Asian and African descent. His murders were gruesome and involved torture, forced sodomy, dismemberment (removing their limbs), necrophilia, and cannibalism.
He was arrested first when caught fondling a 13-year-old boy in Milwaukee and was sentenced to one year in a work release camp. After serving ten months, he was released on probation for his good behavior. That’s when his killing spree began.
He committed his first murder at the age of 18, shortly after being released, and his first victim was a 19-year-old hitchhiker.
There was a much-talked about story about a 14-year-old boy who almost escaped Dahmer in 1991. He wandered into the streets without clothes, with Dahmer in pursuit. Police believed Dahmer’s story that the boy was 19 years old and was his partner, and took the boy to Dahmer’s house. In spite of noticing a weird smell there, they left without investigating. Soon after, the boy was killed and Dahmer kept his skull as a souvenir.
Background
Dahmer was the son of an analytical chemist, and as a child he had a fascination with dissecting dead animals. By the time he was a teenager, he was an alcoholic and a loner. He dropped out of college and his father forced him to enlist in the Army. After just two years, he was discharged because of his heavy drinking. Since he did not want to face his father, he moved in with his grandmother and lived with her for six years. His grandmother asked him to move out when he was arrested for exposing himself in public.
Killings and Sentence
Dahmer was caught by the police when a would-be victim escaped and alerted them. He was held responsible for 15 murders, sentenced to 15 life terms. Dahmer then expressed remorse and wished death upon himself. He was beaten to death by a fellow inmate and died of severe head trauma.
Gary Ridgway – The Green River Killer (Killings between 1982 and 1984)
“I hate most prostitutes. I did not want to pay them for sex. I also picked prostitutes as victims because they were easy to pick up without being noticed. I knew they would not be reported missing right away, and might never be reported missing.” These were the words of one of the worst slayers in American history, who was said to have killed more women than any other serial killer — Gary Ridgway.
The Green River Killer drama unfolds at Aurora Avenue on the banks of the Green River where hundreds of prostitutes hang around, and where on July 15, 1982 the body of a 16-year-old prostitute was found. She was the first victim of the infamous Green River Killer and was raped and strangled to death. He had the habit of finding a landmark and leaving a group of dead bodies in ‘clusters,” to remember easily. Driving by these clusters and remembering them gave him a high.
The killings continued and police couldn’t find a clue, so the “Green River Taskforce” was formed in 1984. The death toll had reached 26 by then.
Ted Bundy’s Help
Another serial killer, Ted Bundy (who was sitting on a death row), offered to assist the police and gave them several clues into the working of a serial killer’s mind until the time he was executed.
Background
Ridgway was born in Salt Lake City, Utah and he had two brothers. He had a domineering mother who constantly yelled at their father and controlled Ted completely, and she was never pleased with what he did. Ridgway’s IQ was 80, which signified a slight mental deficiency. He had a troubled adolescence and stabbed a six-year-old kid when he was 16. He always had an obsession with prostitutes.
He was married for fourteen years and he managed two totally different identities: one the life of a wonderful husband going on romantic vacations, and the other of the infamous serial killer.
Killings and Sentence
The Green River Killer caused mayhem for two and half years during the 1980s. He pleaded guilty to 48 charges in 2003, but claimed to have killed 71 women. A controversial plea bargain he entered into spared him execution in exchange for helping to locate the remains of all of those women by providing details. This created a lot of controversy as many people believed that a person who murdered so many people should not be spared the death sentence.
He was sentenced to 48 life sentences and is currently incarcerated in Washington at the Washington State Penitentiary.
Belle Sorenson Gunness (Killings between 1900 and 1908)
Unlike many other female killers, Gunness didn’t poison her victims — she slaughtered them. She was a 42-year-old Norwegian immigrant who purchased a property in La Porte, Indiana using her first husband’s insurance after his death. Her husband and two of her children were said to have died mysteriously, although she wasn’t suspected. After moving to La Porte with the rest of her children, she married Peter Gunness who died after just nine months. She collected another insurance payment. Over the next few years, other men that came into her life vanished without trace.
She became famous for being a black widow — killing several of her husbands, ranch workers and adopted children.
Modus Operandi
She would place matrimonial ads in newspapers and promised men marital bliss and a life filled with love. Several hopefuls traveled to La Porte carrying their life savings with them. She would then drug them and cut them up as she cut her hogs. She would then wrap them up with oilskin and bury them at her farm.
A letter she wrote reads – “My heart beats in wild rapture for you, My Andrew, I love you. Come prepared to stay forever.”
Background
There are various accounts of her background. She was said to be one of eight children and was born in Stoersetgjerdet in Norway. One story goes that she got pregnant with a man and he kicked her in her stomach in public causing her to lose her child. He disappeared soon after. According to her sister, Belle was said to be crazy for money.
Missing Mysteriously
In 1908, Gunness’ farmhouse caught fire and burned to the ground. When it was put out, the remains of several people were discovered — men, children, and even a woman. The children were identified as hers. The woman was assumed to be Gunness herself, although there was no head. It was thought she died in that fire.
Many butchered bodies were found around her property, carved like turkeys. The heads were cut off, arms removed, and legs sawed off at the thigh.
Despite the assumption that she died, her ranch hand and lover, Lamphere, claimed that he helped Belle fake her own death and run away when he was arrested. Officially, she was presumed dead.
She was said to have killed 49 people.
Charles Manson (Killings in 1969)
Called the “most dangerous man” and the “devil,” Charles Manson was the terror of the 60s.
Background
He was born in 1934 to a 16-year-old mother who was a troublemaker. She left him with his aunt or grandmother most of the time. She was arrested on armed robbery charges and sent to a penitentiary, leaving Manson to live with his aunt and uncle. Even after she was released, his mother didn’t want the responsibility of looking after him. She was even willing to trade him for a drink. His father was never in the scene from his birth.
Manson turned out to be a troublemaker himself, and he was sent to a reform school at the age of nine. By the time he was 26, he was charged with rape, drug charges, stealing, pimping, and more.
He was religious and used this to manipulate people into following him. When he was 34, he formed the “Charles Manson Family” by attracting a group of followers — mostly young women with troubled pasts. He used amphetamines to alter their personalities and they started calling him “Jesus Christ” and did everything he wanted, including physical favors.
He was a music lover who believed that the “Beatles’” were prophets sent to earth to warn of an upcoming revolution. Manson focused on an Armageddon, where the blacks would rise to power and kill all whites and the Manson family would be the only white family living. He felt the blacks wouldn’t be able to stay in power because of an inferiority complex and that the Manson family would then rule the world.
When this did not happen, he started having people killed by his “family” members.
Killings and Sentence
His first murder was that of Sharon Tate, wife of director Roman Polanski. The next was the LaBianca family. He was sentenced to death but later reduced to life imprisonment, when California Supreme Court eliminated death penalties temporarily. He is currently an inmate at Corcoran State Prison.
Albert Fish (Killings between 1919 and 1930)
Albert Fish may have been America’s most vile pedophile, serial killer, and cannibal. He is known by many names — Gray Man, Brooklyn Vampire, The Boogeyman, and the Werewolf of Wysteria. He was a gentle-looking and benevolent grandfather, a total contrast to the monster within him. His wife considered him a wonderful husband and his children believed he was a model father. Some of his crimes seem unbelievable.
Background
Hamy Fish (his birth name) was born in Washington D.C. as the youngest of four children. Several of his family members had mental health problems. After his father’s death, he was put in an orphanage by his mother and he was whipped at the orphanage frequently. That’s said to be when he began to realize that he enjoyed physical pain and felt aroused by it. Then he entered into homosexual relationships at the age of 12 and was introduced to other perverse practices of drinking urine and coprophagia. His weekends were spent visiting public baths to watch boys undress. This led to male prostitution, which continued even after his marriage and the births of his six children.
Turning into a Psycho-Masochist
He also developed an unusual interest in castration and visited brothels where he got himself whipped and beaten. He pushed needles into his body, including his genitalia. X-rays later revealed a total of 27 needles inside him.
It was at the age of 55 that he started experiencing hallucinations. He believed God ordered him to castrate young boys. This was diagnosed as religious psychosis and is what led to the several mutilations and murders he committed.
Killings and Sentence
Although he was a suspect in five killings, he stated that he “had” around 100 children in all states. Nobody knew whether he was talking about cannibalization or molestation. He was executed on an electric chair.
Herman Webster Mudgett – Dr. Holmes (Killings between 1893 and 1895)
Mudgett’s criminal career started as a medical student who stole corpses from the University of Michigan. He used those corpses to collect insurance money on policies taken under fictitious names. He then started a drug store empire and constructed a huge hundred-room mansion with trap doors, lime pits, fake walls, acid vats, and secret entrances.
Modus Operandi
He would rent rooms to visitors and then try and collect the insurance when they were killed there. He also used to lure women to his “torture castle,” promising marriage. He would then throw them down the elevator shaft and gas them to death. But before he did that he would force them to sign all their life savings over to him.
Background
Herman was born in New Hampshire and his father was very strict, often bullying his son. He had a well-known fear of the local doctor’s office and because of this other students in his school would often force him to touch human skeletons. What was meant to be a scare turned out to be a fascination, which led to him stealing corpses while in medical school.
He started using the name “H.H. Holmes” after moving to Chicago and got engaged in a lot of shady activities. He is also a bigamist, married a second time and a third time while still married to the first wife. He was known to be a charmer and a ladies’ man.
Killings
His huge castle with secret passages had a drugstore and other shops on the ground floor and the upper areas were used as his office. There were more than a hundred rooms without windows, and there were doorways that opened into brick walls. There were also stairways to nowhere, doors that could not be opened from the inside and several other such oddities. This was to become his killing den.
It was here that the killing spree sprouted over a period of three horrible years. Female victims were mostly his employees who were required to take a life insurance policy where Holmes would pay the premiums. Soundproof rooms with gas lines fitted in were used to kill people. These victims were asphyxiated and their screams went unnoticed as they suffocated. There was a chute that took the bodies to the basement, where some bodies were dissected, flesh removed and turned into skeletal models. He sold these skeletons and other organs to medical schools.He also performed illegal abortions in the castle and many of his patients died.
Sentence
Eventually police grew suspicious about the activities in the castle and when he knew he was getting caught, he burnt the castle and vanished. Remains of more than two hundred people were found in the charred debris. He was later caught and hanged.
Coral Eugene Watts – (Killings between 1974 and 1982)
Watts was the first known serial killer in the nation’s history to have legally acquired immunity, and at one point it even looked as if he would be released in 2006 in spite of having committed between 80-100 murders. When a detective said that he did not have enough fingers and toes to count all the murders he committed, Watts replied that there were not enough fingers and toes in the room. (There were four men in the room.)
Usually serial killers are said to kill people of their own race. However Watts, who was an African American, killed whites mostly.
He admitted to killing females because he saw evil in their eyes. He drowned women in a bathtub in order to prevent their spirits from escaping.
He was not caught for many years because he killed in different jurisdictions and different states. DNA tests also didn’t prove anything because he did not dally with his victims, unlike other serial killers.
Modus Operandi
Watts would drive a couple of hours to commit his murders. He stalked women in his car, would park ahead of them, get out of the car, and then approach them. He killed females between the ages of 14 and 34 by strangulation, drowning, and stabbing. Occasionally he also used tools and other metal objects.
He started killing at the age of 20 but did not rape them, and some of his murders occurred without him even touching the women. For him, the thrill came from the hunt and attack.
Background
Watts’ parents divorced when he was two and he lived with his mother and step-father. He was said to act weird when he was a kid. He was never good at academics but excelled in boxing.
He started having morbid dreams when he was 12, always revolving around killing women. In his dreams, he would punch their evil spirits and he usually fell off his bed. When asked by psychiatrists later whether these dreams disturbed him, he said, “No, I feel better after having them.”
These dreams slowly turned into reality when he started watching, stalking, and looking into the eyes of women to find evil. By the age of 15, he began hitting and choking them. Ultimately it wasn’t enough for him to hurt those women — he had to kill them.
Killings and Sentence
Due to lack of evidence of murder, a plea bargain granted immunity from murder if he confessed to his murders and gave details. Due to this and his good behavior, Watts could have been released in 2006. However, after Watts confessed to about 80 murders, the Michigan authorities refused to go in with the deal and got witnesses to come out and speak about a couple of murders. Watts was found guilty and sentenced to life imprisonment. However, he died of prostate cancer in 2007.
Richard Angelo (Killings between April 1987 and October 1987)
Angelo was a killer with a different mindset from all others. He made the entire nation scared of hospitals. The desire to be a hero in others’ eyes made him a monster. He was 26 when he went to work at the Good Samaritan Hospital on Long Island in New York. He was a former Eagle Scout and always tried to do good things and help others.
His inability to achieve the level of praise he always desired made him a dangerous serial killer of a totally different kind.
Modus Operandi
He took advantage of the graveyard shift at the hospital to satisfy his desires. He would inject Pavulon and Anectine into patients and bring them to a near-death states. He would tell them that he was giving them drugs that would make them feel better. After injecting these drugs, the patients begin feeling numb and their breathing became constricted. They also lost their ability to communicate with the doctors and nurses. Then he would show his heroism by helping to save his victims, impressing everyone in the hospital.
Death came upon many of these patients as he was unable to intervene and save them from his deadly injections.
Background
Angelo was a former boy scout and always wanted to be a hero. He was said to crave for attention from his parents and everyone else around him.
Killings and Sentence
He is said to have killed 25 people and was caught when one of his victims managed to use the call button for assistance after being injected. One of the nurses then took his urine sample and the test proved positive for the drugs, Anectine and Pavulon, which had not been prescribed by the doctors. All the bodies of suspected victims were tested and found positive for drugs.
Angelo confessed and said, “I had no confidence in myself. I felt very inadequate.”
He was charged for second-degree murder on multiple counts and sentenced to 61 years to life imprisonment. He is currently in the Clinton Correctional Facility in New York.
Andrew Cunanan (Killings between April 1997 and July 1997)
Andrew Phillip Cunanan, a soft-spoken intellect who had a flair for languages and discussing world affairs, was a handsome, lavish and boastful young man who associated himself only with the social elite. He earned many dubious distinctions. One was for killing the famous fashion designer, Gianni Versace, and the other is being listed by the FBI on their Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list. He was the first person from San Diego to get onto the “prestigious” list.
Modus Operandi
There was no modus operandi discovered for Cunanan. In the beginning he killed his former lovers who he felt were having an affair behind his back. The others that were killed may also have had connections with him, but nobody knows for sure. They were killed differently and with different weapons.
Background
Cunanan was born in National City, California and was a homosexual since high school. He was known for his erratic ways. He graduated in 1987. He was also rumored to be a lover to older and wealthy gay men. His mother called him a “high-class homosexual prostitute.” However his father denied his homosexuality, calling him “an altar boy” who has a good Catholic upbringing.
It is said that in homosexual circles, once a person crosses mid-20s he is considered old. When Andrew turned 28, he was deserted by his wealthy lovers. He was left to pay off credit cards which exceeded limits, and this left him broke. He stopped taking care of his usually very trendy appearance and gained a lot of weight.
At this point another emotion reared its ugly head — jealousy. He spotted two of his young lovers seeing each other behind his back. Another thing that bothered him was the fact that both of them had reached great heights professionally while he remained stagnant.
The jealousy grew to such an extent that he eventually went to visit them, killing both of them just days apart from each other, beginning his life as a serial killer.
Killings and Sentence
One of his victims was Gianni Versace, the Italian designer. The FBI found Andrew, as he left his name signed on the pavement in front of Gianni’s house. The FBI felt that it was his way of trying to get attention, saying “Look at me. I’m the one that did this.”
He led authorities on a massive manhunt for his killings. He killed himself eight days after killing Gianni Versace. He shot himself to avoid capture.
Conclusion
What you have witnessed here is just a fragment of the world of savage and sadistic minds who have transformed this act of murder from a monstrous anomaly into an everyday horror. These mythic monsters capture the attention of the entire nation and end up as terrifying household names.
Looking into the psyche of a serial killer, doctors say that every individual develops positive attitude towards life and people in their early years, and this attitude is rendered negative with abuse — physical and emotional. That abuse can also come in the form of refusal to acknowledge the boundaries of an individual through excessive expectations, possessiveness, and doting, all of which are as abusive as incest or beatings.
Researchers attempting to understand how fantasies warp the serial killer’s mind say that bizarre fantasies thrive in isolation and eventually the killers feel the need to live them out. They dwell on the murder act for days before committing it, completely caught up in their fantasy. But they find that even murder never fulfills the fantasy completely, and this leads to the serial nature of their crime — always looking for satisfaction they never actually find. Many of these serial killers also keep souvenirs of their crime which helps refuel the fantasy.
Famous serial killers are hated but there can’t be any doubts about their popularity; they often suffer from Antisocial Personality Disorder, and thus can appear very normal in their everyday lives.
Posted by Zunaira | September 15, 2008, 8:29 amGreat list of American Serial Killers but aren’t you missing the greatest serial killer of humanity as a whole? These guys killed 100′s of people but the terrorist and serial killer I am referring to, has brutally murdered hundreds’s of thousands of them. You got to add GEORGE W. BUSH to the top of the list!
Posted by John | September 15, 2008, 8:44 amI wonder how long the list would be if you included all countries. No doubt they all had some disorders, however, they all seemed to come from totally dysfunctional families as well.
Posted by Rod | September 15, 2008, 10:30 amThese are the media promoted serial killers. These, however, are not: http://podblanc.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1263&highlight=serial+killers
Posted by Agis | September 15, 2008, 11:43 amCorrection: insofar as the Tate-Labianca murders are concerned Charles Manson killed no one. His charge was being a conspirator in the homicides but he was never placed at the actual scene of any of the homicides.
I rarely cite Wiki articles but this one is very well-documented and cited drawing Vincent Bugliosi’s book on the topic (Mr. Bugliosi being the State’s Prosecutor in the case).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson
Posted by Daniel | September 15, 2008, 2:12 pmGood article.
Small correction: Ed Gein’s character was used as a base in Silence of The Lambs. Not for Hannibal Lecter but for Buffalo Bill. Hannibal Lecter was a cannibal but he did not dress up in his victims skin. That was Buffalo Bill.
Posted by Stickler | September 15, 2008, 3:52 pmJohn – you are an id*ot. You make liberals look bad with your stupid analogies and wild, exaggerated statements.
Posted by Mandy | September 15, 2008, 4:01 pm@John – Probably because this article wasn’t written by a terrorist sympathizer.
Posted by Brian | September 15, 2008, 4:19 pmThey all have dead eyes.
Posted by Snake | September 15, 2008, 4:36 pmWhat about Richard Ramerez, the Night Stalker?
Posted by Sarah | September 15, 2008, 5:05 pmThere is speculation that David Berkowitz wasn’t alone in those random killings, that he might’ve been part of a satanic cult due to the many varied descriptions of the killer. But so far Berkowitz hasn’t been forthcoming with any new leads of information thus far.
Posted by Kodi | September 15, 2008, 7:11 pm@brian – you don’t have to be a terrorist sympathizer to understand that your president allowed the slaughter of thousands in the pursuit of wealth and power. also, if you had a clue at all about how the world works, you’d understand that sympathizing with a terrorist’s point of view requires no more effort than sympathizing with the 9/11 victims…unless you’re a racist…which you almost certainly are if you defend your president.
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thanks for the article. very thorough.
Posted by G.W. | September 15, 2008, 7:25 pmGreat to see America’s notorious serial killers made “FAMOUS”. I personally agree with John.. you have one “Famous” name missing in there
Posted by Mark | September 15, 2008, 7:40 pmoups you forgot to state israel and all its terrorist prime ministers responsible for serial killings and war crimes and …………………………the list is longer than you can imagine !
add to that GW bush of course the head of of terrorists ever existed
Posted by bilo | September 15, 2008, 7:48 pmMandy – I think you are the one who is acting like an id**t. I don’t care what you think.. Bush is a terrorist for me!
To add, Obama and McCain are the same
Posted by John | September 15, 2008, 7:48 pmI dont understand.. u americans are not united, you are not respecting ur president voted by ur fellow americans ur neighbors friends and relatives. ha-ha ur hate to each other smells like sulfur.
I dont know if u are truly americans or not but if u are u better remove all the stars on ur flag and make it blank for good.
Your president is the commander in chief in the Army the Navy the Air FORCE., you have a lots of personnel in arms to protect your country!! but u involved the foremost duty of a soldier in war just to protect his friends and himself? omg.
Your country was founded, your independent was formulated becauce of your united army with rifles to kill.
In summary you can also say your first president is similar to GW? wow its amazing……..
Posted by perry utanis | August 29, 2010, 8:04 amI will gladly hand in my Stars and Stripes. We narrowly escaped a mandatory draft after 9/11 and the Patriot Act allows the government to listen in to practically any phone. I’d know; my phone was tapped because I called my father, who was a drug addict, who knew another druggie who knew another who *might* know a terrorist. Great America under Bush Jr., huh? I didn’t vote him in, or to re-elect him. Yes, we are divided; we all have differening opinions. I’m fine with that; I like a good debate on occasion. Public opinion here in the U.S. *is* fickle, but I hated the man before he made the mistakes that the *media* was interested in. The problem is that most people only follow the opinions of the papers rather than think for themselves. *That* is how America is *really* divided; those who think for themselves and those who let others do it for them. Not that everyone who voted in Bush Jr. didn’t think for themselves, but a lot of people just voted the way of their political party. While I’m glad that I wasn’t born in a place like Belarus, I don’t exactly wish that I was born *here* either.
Posted by Anne | September 2, 2010, 8:56 pmIt just shows that you can’t ignore mental illness. Especially in this day and age. There are way too many mentally ill people out walking around who need meds and a doctor’s care, but aren’t getting any help. Things have got to change. Maybe we can hope that those who need help get it, or that the law and the Doctors can intervene before killers like these can kill again!
Posted by Steve | September 15, 2008, 8:33 pmSeems there’s a good deal of mental illness with these people who have Bush Derangemant Syndrome.
Posted by bruce | September 15, 2008, 9:19 pmI’m with John on this Mandy. His statement is not at all exaggerated and I, being one of many, want to see him in prison for the murder’s (amongst other crimes against humanity) he’s committed. It has nothing to do with being “liberal” or any other tag you want to put on it. He has deceived us and stomped on our constitutional rights. He needs his just dues. Kudos for calling this one John!
Posted by Helen | September 15, 2008, 9:53 pmDaniel,
Manson was also found guilty of Tate-Labianca murders.
Here is a small piece from the powerful summation of Prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi in the Charles Manson (Tate-LaBianca Murder) Trial
Vincent Bugliosi: “In Manson’s world, he probably felt if he never himself killed anyone but had someone else murder for him, he was thereby immunized or insulated, as it were, from all criminal responsibility. Well, it is not quite that easy, and when you folks come back into this courtroom with your verdict of first-degree murder against Charles Manson, you are going to tell him it’s not quite that easy. In the offbeat world of Charles Manson he probably never heard of this rule of law. Well, he is learning about it right now.”
After this, the jury returned its verdict on January 25, 1971, finding all defendants guilty, and sentenced them to death. Unfortunately, the death sentences could not be imposed due to a California Supreme Court ruling in 1972.
Posted by Wordweave | September 16, 2008, 3:12 amTechnically Andrew Cunanan was a spree killer, Charles Manson was a cult leader and most of the bodies found at Ed Gein’s farmhouse were the result of grave robbing. Gein killed one woman, and Manson killed no one himself. They are not serial killers.
Posted by Brian | September 16, 2008, 9:49 amThanks for ruining a perfectly good article. Moron! Nobody gives a crap what your political views are! Just shut up!
Posted by Amy | September 16, 2008, 9:06 pmWhat about the so called powers that be? (powers that be queer)I call them.I’ve DR.Savage & Neal Boortz call them thought cops and such. I know of people who have killed them selves because of their peeping in their minds and putting words in their heads.They have probley (slang)killed more people than any of the serial killers. Don’t forget the Clintons.
Posted by duck336 | September 16, 2008, 9:08 pmYou’re wrong about Charles Manson. He never directly killed anyone, which is why he didn’t get the death penalty. The only people who were murdered were murdered by his followers, not Manson himself.
Posted by TheOneCleanHippy | September 18, 2008, 3:12 amJohn Says:
September 15th, 2008 at 8:44 am
Great list of American Serial Killers but aren’t you missing the greatest serial killer of humanity as a whole? These guys killed 100’s of people but the terrorist and serial killer I am referring to, has brutally murdered hundreds’s of thousands of them. You got to add GEORGE W. BUSH to the top of the list!
—Who ever you are you are awesome. I was thinking the exact same thing when I was reading this.
Posted by Derek Maier | September 19, 2008, 6:13 pmi live in Milwaukee and i have been to the old prison where Jeffery Donner was held.
ive been in his cell too….
it was so scary and weird…
its hard to describe but i never want to go there again!
you just get that feeling that this isnt right and that u should get the hell out of there.
people think its really cool that ive been there but for me i just hate that memory!
Posted by Sarah | September 21, 2008, 10:54 pm15 killings for Gein? Where are you getting this information from? He only killed 2 people. The rest of the bodies they found on his land were the ones he dug up from the local graveyard. Hardly a “serial killer” but infamously disturbed and highly influential in the horror business no doubt.
Posted by Brandy | September 22, 2008, 1:16 amHey John, We agree with you that George W Bush is the biggest terrorist of them all! We also agree that Obama and McCain, are the same!
Posted by Brenda | September 24, 2008, 10:54 pmi believe this post was about serial killers not terrorists, u guys need to get that part right first. U can also say well “what about this guy and that guy” but really over the long time of civilisation of course there will be some missing. dont be so pedantic about everything. Also i believe these people were mostly americans?
oh PS if u say Bush is the terrorist does that mean the “soldiers” who actually pull the triggers are his left hand?
Posted by Kerryn | September 25, 2008, 1:33 amThis is about serial killers, not terrorists. Bush is not a serial killer. Doesn’t matter your politics.
Posted by kellyg | September 25, 2008, 3:18 pmhow about Jack The ripper. forget the photo u could have at least toss it in there!
Posted by Ana | September 26, 2008, 3:04 pmCharles Manson has to have the Best Photo award here.
Bewildered isn’t the word.
He reminds me of a perverse Shaggy from Scooby-Doo.
Posted by Greg | September 29, 2008, 12:37 pmKerryn,
I have never in my life heard a comment as retarded as yours. You must be mentally ill. People like you are the reason soldiers get a bad name, because they cant resist punching you in the face. If I were standing in the same room when you said that, I would have beat your face until it was as big as a pumpkin.
I did not agree with Bush’s retarded plans, I did not agree to go to Iraq and have my friends killed and watch my family suffer and other familes suffer because their brothers, husbands, sisters and wives where dying in Iraq. I fought in Iraq and I fired my weapon, but when I fired my weapon it was not because I believed in this ridiculous war, I fired my weapon because I valued my life and the life of my friends. I was not fighting a war for the monkey we call our president, I was fighting in order to stay alive and keep my friends alive. If you want to call American soldiers Bush’s left hand you are calling American soldiers murderers. I am not a murderer by any means. George W. Bush is responsible for every single death that happened in Iraq. He is responsible for all American and Iraqi deaths because he DECLARED the war and therefore all bullets left their weapons in HIS name.
Bush is not a serial killer, Bush is worse, he is a mass murderer and he should be put on trial for war crimes.
Posted by Joe | September 30, 2008, 1:39 amThe really scary part is that there are so many more who were never detected, many of whom are probably still performing their nefarious deeds.
Posted by McCafferty Himself | September 30, 2008, 12:46 pmi had a bit of a laugh at the comment that was left behind by “Joe”. The fact that u use anger and not rational to oppose my comment shows what kind of person you are and why they may have chose u to go into the force. Also I can see why people like urself and other would fight in the war so dont get me wrong but u really have to see it from my point of view. Were u forced to commit to the army? If not then u made the choice to put urself in danger and ur friends did too. Also did the people u MAY have killed or injured not have the same value to their own lives? That seems retarded that u think americans have a higher hiarchy….. just from where im standing as a non-bias party who is not american…..just saying … calm down
Posted by Kerryn | October 1, 2008, 3:29 amfor those of you that think being in a war is the same as being a serial killer why don’t u stop and think the art of war is not to die for your country but make the other S.O.B.die for his.
Posted by Jack | October 1, 2008, 11:17 amThese comments are retarded. John gets first prize in Ability to Completely Derail Comments. G.W. gets first prize for Most Laughably Stupid post.
Now, Herman Webster Mudgett was absolutely nuts. I mean, all these guys are nuts but building a Castle of Torture? That’s like, classic horror story. Does anyone know anymore about that?
Posted by Hilda | October 1, 2008, 11:36 pmQuote Kerryn: “Also did the people u MAY have killed or injured not have the same value to their own lives? That seems retarded that u think americans have a higher hiarchy….. just from where im standing as a non-bias party who is not american…..just saying … calm down”
Your right, I am troubled now with a very hot a violent temper, something that I did not have before I joined the Army. I am trying to take steps to become a better person but the fact is Iraq changed my life, it may me a different person and all I can see is the negative side of these changes. I have a lot of resentment towards Bush for causing this war, because I have a hard time rationalizing the death of many of my friends. I get very angered when I see people pointing fingers at soldiers because it is not any soldiers fault that he may have killed someone in order to stay alive. I don’t think Americans have any higher hierarchy and I apologize that it may have sounded that way. In fact I would go as far to say that I think Americans are inferior because we think we are better. The American mentality that we are better at everything makes us FAIL. I think the American mentality that we are so righteous that we should lead the WORLD on the war on terrorism is ridiculous, it makes us inferior. Most of the Iraqi’s killed in Iraq under my witness, were innocently killed by American soldiers who, in fear for their life, shot someone who was not a terrorist because the poor Iraqi also reacted in fear and made himself appear as something he/she wasn’t.
The point I was trying to make was that a soldier is sent to the battlefield without any choice, whether he objects or not. There is no such thing as a conscientious objector, this is made up BS for the media because believe me I tried. When a soldier is put into a combat zone his main objective is to stay alive. I understand that this is obviously the main objectives of the innocent Iraqi’s who also did not choose for us to enter. Unfortunately the main objective for terrorists is to kill as many people as possible and then die to become a martyr.
It is virtually impossible to fight a war against an enemy that has nothing to lose. We fear death when terrorists welcome it.
To get somewhat back on topic, I believe that wars and imagery of death and destruction cause mental disorders that lead to serial killers. I also believe that lack of affection at a young age sets the stage for the personality disorders that cause these types of people.
I hope that one day we can live in a peaceful world, we could start by getting the Department of VA some better funding in order to help distressed soldiers with PTSD or anxiety and anger issues to get the help they need in a timely and more efficient way. Otherwise we will end up with more serial killers being brewed as we speak by this ineffective war in Iraq.
Posted by Joe | October 2, 2008, 3:14 pmi am a serial killer too.. its so much fun!
Posted by luke hoffman | October 3, 2008, 9:21 amYour list is incomplete.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Panzram
Posted by Revd_Fish | October 3, 2008, 6:15 pmGeorge Bush responsible for all deaths… really? I’m not sure I understand. It was my belief, Joe and John, that congress had the power to declare war, not the president. Obviously he was in favor of this decision but remember, so was the majority of our country at the time. Now that all has gone down the metaphorical ‘shitter’, we have all washed our hands of blame and state “bush should go on trial”. Sure sure, the amount of people who admit they were pro war in the beginning isn’t going to equal those who actually were because somehow ‘none of us’ actually supported this plan (cough cough). Stop patronizing the president for something this entire country is to blame. We were attacked on 9/11, we retaliated, and now we’re fighting a war of attrition and trying to create a democracy in a country who would be far worse otherwise. Not to mention that the probability of being attacked again already if we hadn’t destroyed sadam, the majority of al qaida, 100′s of terrorists, etc. would have been exponentially increased. Who do we give this credit to? God forbid we give the President of the United States credit for perhaps saving our lives. No no, of course not, ‘he should be put on trial right?’ Oh n the freedom we’ve attained, john, from our personal civil war (many deaths) through wwI (many more) and currently in Iraq (some more deaths) were all in vain and selfishness correct? or j/ because this one seems a little more negative we should all hate our president. If your theory still stands, then I’m afraid to inform you that many other presidents’ heads are on the chopping block as well. And might I add, without their valiant efforts and selflessness, u’d probably be in a 3rd world country without the luxury of posting an idiotic blog on the internet with the freedom of speech we’re so fortunate to have.
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Well let me steer this a little back on topic; This is a neat and thorough analysis whcih gives great insight on many of the factors which turn humans into animals. It is amazing how a couple of years is all it takes to influence an innocent kid, into a cynical maniac with no conscience.
Posted by r. lo | October 3, 2008, 10:05 pmGaaaah! S*** up! Is it so hard to enjoy an article about serial killers without prancing around on your goddamned political warhorses?
Posted by Ganymede | October 5, 2008, 7:39 pmlet me ask you all this….what makes some1 snap for watever reason and kill? y do u think you would?…any1 who wants to respnd feel free if you dont thats fine………i’ll b waiting X)
Posted by Morgan | October 9, 2008, 4:55 pmI agree with Ganymede, all i,m interested in is the brilliant article on S.K,s. Forget bush and all that for now cant ya? And what about Dick van Dyke? Wasn,t he a famous serial killer? Or was he just a dancing prancing dodgy accented geezer in a Mary Poppins film.? I am quite confused, i,m sorry. So how many did this Poppins chick kill? By the way, that is my real name, as my dad was fascinated like i am with S.K,s. Sadly he died mysteriously last year when i was in Germany. Honest!!!
Posted by john gacy | October 9, 2008, 8:41 pmR. Lo you are absolutely WRONG! You see congress NEVER declared war in fact the United States has not formally declared war since World War II.
Under Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution, Congress has sole power “to declare war [and] grant letters of marque and reprisal.” But Article II, Section 2 provides that “The president shall be Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States.” While it’s clear that the Framers intended for Congress alone to declare war, presidents don’t always check with Congress before acting. Obviously bush did not check with congress instead he decided to declare a world war on his own. Yes he declared a World War because his intentions were to word his declaration in a way that would allow him to invade any country he would like by not declaring war on any country but instead declaring “War on Terrorism”. Then he illegally entered Iraq under BS false pretenses that Iraq had Weapons of Mass destruction, by the way Iraq never had WMD and they never had any Al Qaeda or Taliban groups inside their borders, WE HAD INTELLIGENCE CONFIRMING NO WMD, but Bush ignored that and lied to the American people. Our entrance into Iraq and our destabilization of the government created a new territory and new recruitment and breeding grounds for these terrorist organizations and now Al Qaeda is stronger than before because we created more terrorist territory and hugely increased the recruiting population.
Yeah were so much safer now because we increased Al Qaueda’s size… we could have spent that money on border defenses and we would be 1,000,000 times safer. But Bush is a war monger just like most uneducated conservatives. Oh and don’t try to come back with Bush’s degree, its obvious that money can buy those things, have you heard Bush speak. He is an embarrassment to our nation and I cant wait until he is out of office.
Posted by Joe | October 11, 2008, 11:22 am“Let me ask you all this….what makes some1 snap for watever reason and kill? y do u think you would?…any1 who wants to respnd feel free if you dont thats fine………i’ll b waiting X) ”
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder causes this and PTSD is caused by wars that should not have took place to begin with. So in turn Presidents who declare war when they have no business doing so create the soldiers with PTSD who then snap and kill innocent people.
Short Answer: President Dubya’s do.
Posted by Joe | October 11, 2008, 11:25 amWhy isn’t Dick Cheney at the top of this list?
Posted by Michael T | October 12, 2008, 2:56 amCorrection: Hannibal Lecter’s character in Silence of the Lambs was not based off Ed Gein. It was in fact the character of Buffalo Bill in the same movie, instead, that was based off the same killer.
Posted by Tyler | October 13, 2008, 4:20 pmfor someone to snap and kill is very easy. All you need is a passion and desire for it and anything is possible!
Posted by Brett | October 16, 2008, 7:58 pmMy dad use to tell me the story about Ed Gein when I was growing up. He use to throw rock’s at his house. I always thought he was kidding me . Tell I seen it on T. V.
Posted by Raven | October 18, 2008, 11:00 amI’m kind of tired of hearing people giving way too much credit to Ed Gein as a Serial Killer. Given he was a sick individual and WAS suspected in being involved of the death of his brother ( Though the true cause of death was suffocating from the smoke of the fire. Ed probably knocked his brother unconconcious, though he died of smoke inhalation, which is more like man slaughter than murder). Besides that, Ed Gein only killed two women seperated by two years. Hardly a “killing spree” as you so eloquently put it. And you also state that the police found many bodies hanging in his barn, but it was only one. that of the woman from the hardware store that police had suspected him of killing. Also you state the body count at 15 of which most of them were bodies that he had exhumed from a local cemetary. HE ONLY KILLED 2 WOMEN!!! Also you mention cannabilism. Though i’m not totally sure of this, I do know the only evidence of cannabilism and source of much debate was a SUPPOSED pot on a stove that had the heart of the woman from the Hardware store. And that is more likely a myth. I don’t mean to come off as a douchebag, but your play of words in documenting him give him way more credit than he deserves. Not to take away from him ( He did do some pretty messed up stuff, for instance having the full body skin of a woman’s body, a belt of human nipples, Yes human nipples, the human skull caps used as soup bowls, skins and other body parts used to upholster furniture, including skulls on the posts of his bed, and many shrunken heads that he supposedly made himself), But! In the end He killed two women, which does classify him as a serial killer, but you make it come off as though he Killed 15 women and had the bodies of his victims laying all over the Place. Not true!
Posted by mike | October 20, 2008, 8:11 amWhat interests me about these S.K,s is, especially JWGACY and Pete Sutcliff is the way that they went about their normal day to day routines, with jobs etc, and nobody knew a damn thing that went on when they got home after a hard day at the office and went out prowling the dirty darkened streets looking for prey. More impressive is JWG was in Newspapers, TV media coverage, photographed handing over large cheques to various charitys etc and then getting home and torturing young men and satisfying his lust. Now, is that clever or what? Did he know what he was doing? I think so, which makes it all the more interesting. Peter Sutcliff? What did he say to his workmates whilst eating his sandwhiches at dinnertime? when they were all saying things like “bloody hell, this ripper geezers done another one pete” Did he reply”what a nutter?” or did he say”he seems to be one step ahead of the plod doesn,t he? much be pretty clever if you ask me”. Know wot i mean?
Posted by john gacy | October 21, 2008, 12:07 pmjoe, your B.S that was completely unrelated to this article has made me so sick to my stomach… I chunked my iPhone across the room! You owe me money ! Stay focused on the topic at hand! And to be quite frank, it people like you that give soldiers like me bad names!!!
Posted by devildawg | October 25, 2008, 2:57 amthats a point, where is Mr Peter Sutcliffe? He is one of my favorites. And what about Arthur Shawcross?
Posted by john wayne gacy | October 25, 2008, 4:04 pmthis is sick…that people do things like that…for me its like they have no heart…and sometimes these people did it because they either wanted attention or was arused by it
Posted by courtney | October 26, 2008, 1:02 amYeah joe, you owe me money as well, whilst reading your amusing comments, or are they rants and raves from a perfectly SANE individual? Anyway, to cut a long story short, i found myself chuckling, then laughing out loud, so much so that i fell off my chair and grabbing my laptop as i fell, that smashed into pieces, i landed on my pure pedigree Staffordshire Bull Terrier who sadly died later, my mrs ran in to see what all the noise was, she slipped on broken pieces of laptop and dropped what she was holding at the time which was a 42″ plasma t.v, so that was a write off, and then my daughter came in the room to show me her new bowling balls that she had just bought that day, she slipped on the blood from my wifes head injury, the balls went through the window and landed on my new Ferrari which was just being delivered!!! So Mr Army Joe, you owe m e for a laptop, a t.v, a dog and a motor, not to mention hospital fees!! When can i expect my dosh? The Moral of my story? Well, they printed your crap which had nothing to do with serial killers, so wtf!! Now, go away so we can enjoy S.K,s.
Posted by john wayne gacy | October 28, 2008, 3:43 pmWell.. i now have a rational reason to be afraid of clowns… (John Wayne Gacy)
eugh.
maybe there should be some mention of… the chicago rippers.
Posted by Lixx | October 29, 2008, 5:18 amif you do not have the comprehension or intreset in serial killers than wthell r u duin here & leaving a stupid comment like that just mind ur business
Posted by Dirty Devil | October 31, 2008, 3:31 pmthese are very sick men but you for got a few dennis neilson oits otoole, ian brady fred west and many many orthers
Posted by laurean1991 | November 7, 2008, 12:23 pmWhen was this article published? Dennis Rader should be added as the very famous BTK Killer. Some interesting info on him. although i do hope he burns in hell – a very entertaining individual. In reply to john’s G.W. Bush comment, this is a serial killer article, serial killers act with blue prints, do things a certain way. if by chance you consider bush to be responsible for our soldiers dying in iraq.. or possibly behind the 9/11 conspiracy, that does not make him a serial killer. you’re opinion is respected, as it is your freedom of speech and mind, however, if you feel he is a serial killer, then you should really get an education on the definition. In addition, your problem isn’t with the president bush, your problem is with the government…maybe you should leave the united states, and find another government to disagree with…that is also a right in which you have… just a thought
Posted by Hoof Hearted | November 22, 2008, 5:54 amOne thing you all have forgotten, GW was out to get even for a contract put o n his fathers head by sadam. Thenb tou have to take into consideration that Irac is the largest oil producing countries. Which is now under controll by halliburton, which was formerly the company that GW and dick Channey were CEO’s of.
Posted by foot sold | November 30, 2008, 1:31 amJoe’s right. hes a bit angry and pompous but hes right.
Posted by Jeff | December 5, 2008, 2:52 pmDon’t Forget about the Vagina Lip Beard Ed Gein Created . Im Working on one myself. =) Heres a riddle as well’ A man is six feet tall, is a clerk at a butcher shop, and wears size 11 shoes. What does he weigh?
Posted by Blood Moon Black | December 7, 2008, 7:40 amjust kidding about the VL Beard
Posted by Blood Moon Black | December 7, 2008, 7:42 amOh by the way Charles manson is the biggest id*iot out of the group, why did he have to kill the beautiful sharon tate. He was a coward getting all of his minions to commit the crimes.
Posted by Blood Moon Black | December 7, 2008, 7:46 amwhy’d you guys have to fight about terrorists? isn’t this a serial killer article? LOLÜ
Posted by angeL | December 7, 2008, 2:57 pmwe should do some thing about people that kill for a living
Posted by Jolene | December 10, 2008, 5:54 pmI think you did a great job writing America’s Famous Serial Killers!. Bravo.
Posted by Julie | December 12, 2008, 2:10 amI just did my thesis over psychopaths, basically people with extreme Antisocial Personality Disorder. A couple of these comments suggested that if they were given proper care and treatment they would be better off. This may be true when they are very young and live in adverse environmental conditions; however, some grow up in fairly normal homes and still turn out to be crazy killers. Research has determined that there are biological factors, maybe specific genes that play into it, but the problem is that they’re having a lot of difficulty determining which ones. Because of this, there are no medications to treat a psychopath and treatment in the form of therapy fails because they are so manipulative. It’s just scary that, with all of the things we can do in this world, we can’t figure out how to treat these people.
Posted by Melvin | December 12, 2008, 3:39 pmyou are all S??K!!!!!!!!!You guys admire these phycos !!! What is WRONG with you people!!!!
Posted by itzel | December 14, 2008, 6:29 pmyou guys are all so f?????? s????d. bush is a serial killer no soldiers are serial killers. i swear to god half of the f????? idiots on here comment on shit they really have no opinion about just because they love to talk. that john f?????t has to be one of the dumbest people in the world to see a list of serial killers and think ” oh george bush should be on here” you have to be mildly retarded to have a train of thought like that. and that dumb f??? who thinks soldiers are serial killers is right up at the top of the list of dumb asses. soldiers are doing more for their country than you ever will. it doesnt matter if the war is right or wrong they at least have the balls to risk their life for their country. i dont give a shit if you dont support the war but you deserve a bullet in the back of the head if you talk shit about the soldiers. all you dirty liberals are going to put me on this list one day.
Posted by born again killer | December 15, 2008, 4:35 pmDon’t forget to add Bill Clinton on the list…..DROPPING BOMBS ON IRAQ TO DIVERT ATTENTION FROM HIS IMPEACHMENT TRIALS…..GOOD LITTLE LIBERAL….HUH.
Posted by ellen | December 18, 2008, 12:58 pmSoldiers are NOT serial killers. We live in FREEDOM only because of our AMERICAN SOLDIERS. Without them no one would be here freely speaking because if we did they would kill us if they didn’t like what we said.
Posted by ellen | December 18, 2008, 1:02 pmI LOVE serial killers. I love reading about them, hearing about them, watching movies based on them. Horror movies excite me, but to hear about a serial killer fascinates me the most. To sit and hear about the mind and the mental change happening to a person, causing them to act in the most vicious ways known to man is fascinating. How someone can be so out of their mind to kill, rape, eat or torture someone is captivating. Alothough their acts are wrong and inhumane, the question still remains is it only wrong because we say it is?
Posted by Mariam | December 19, 2008, 6:38 pmWhat i have just read from the lovely Mariam,(if indeed Mariam is a woman) if not, i apologise for assuming Mariam is a females christian name. Anyway, what Mariam has written sums up my thoughts EXCATLY. I feel the same way Mariam, i experience a feeling of extreme excitment when i,m leafing through my quite vast collection of books,audio books,dvd,s etc on serial killers. And i have always asked myself the question of “if i could get away with it, would i myself indulge in MY fantasys? The answer is of course “i.d start tomorrow”. Thats what i find most interesting, all these men and women were acting out their fantasys, but all of them came to the point of crossing over the line which divides fantasy and reality and instead of just thinking about what it would be like, they went ahead and found out. And i admire that in a way. Know wot i mean Mariam?
Posted by john wayne gacy | December 20, 2008, 7:35 amI’ve got to be honest and say I have never read so many retarded comments about our president. Are you people so ignorant to seriously believe that the president has enough power to direct operations in Iraq and Afganistan? If you’re americans you should really know the way our political system works. George Bush made some mistakes but if you truly don’t agree with what he said, get off your a??’ and run for president yourself and quit complaining. Or do over 26 years in the military like I did, then judge people. George Bush a serial killer? What a bunch of doushebags, get a grip you ignorant bunch of losers. Before you say such terrible things about a man who did the best job he could, get educated. Ask congress and the senate you pompous a??’ and then write another comment.
Posted by Jeff | December 20, 2008, 6:07 pmwhat about the zodiac???
Posted by charles | December 21, 2008, 12:20 am# Blood Moon Black Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 7:40 am
Don’t Forget about the Vagina Lip Beard Ed Gein Created . Im Working on one myself. =) Heres a riddle as well’ A man is six feet tall, is a clerk at a butcher shop, and wears size 11 shoes. What does he weigh?
meat
Posted by kenny | December 21, 2008, 5:30 pmreading all these strogn and diverse opinions are very interesting. not many people have the guts to voice there opinion (*even if its on a website using a fake name )
however i dont think people are being very clever by saying stupid thinks like luke hoffman, what is he trying to prove?
these comments have sort of escaleted from talking about serial killers to a totally different subject (George Bush )which to tell you the truth has nothing to do with this website. maybe they should go to a george bushe website where there comments are do do with it its like going to a cat website and talking about the weather !!!!!!!!
However i have got to say it is interesting hearing about it because i dont know many people who say what they are actually thinking.
Posted by a name | December 21, 2008, 9:03 pmYeah, come on, lets forget George f****** Bush and concentrate on the subject of serial killers. Much more interesting than king of the retards himself. Know wot i mean? And lets not forget Moses Sithole, forgive me if ive spelt wrong, i dont think i have. But he was one mean sob.
Posted by john wayne gacy | December 23, 2008, 2:30 pmI believe that something all these Serial killers want is attention and the only thing that triggers them would absolutely be looking for attention and they usually have troubled pasts. Ed Gene: His life story is also the base of the movie “The Chainsaw Massacre”
Posted by Lexi | December 23, 2008, 7:56 pm“terrorist sympathizer”
you think everyone in the middle east is a bad person?
thats like saying all americans are like george bush.. he did kill A LOT of people, terrorist or not they were people. children and mothers. people just trying to live their lives. I cant help being born american, they cant help being born the way they are nor can people control OTHER peoples actions. Our country was not in debt what so ever before he became our leader. He is not a smart person. He was obviously a weak person also if Dick had to make choices for him, why shield these people when they need to take the blaim.
Posted by Parker | December 26, 2008, 9:13 amAlso about the manson murders it is said that Sharon Tates Unborn child was cut out of her stomach by one of the woman in the “family” and then cut the heart out of the baby and ate it. possible? or is this false.
Posted by Parker | December 26, 2008, 9:16 amALSO!
if Charles is even on this list… where is Jim Jones? both Cult like people.
Posted by Parker | December 26, 2008, 9:33 amWhat is Parker on about? Jim Jones? Oh you mean the welsh geezer who sang “Its not unusual” and “Deliah” and “Sexbomb” and “the green green grass of home”. How many has he killed? He,s murdered a few songs i know that much!!! HA HA. I,m bloody funny i am when i get going. Know wot i mean? And your right, jim jones was a bit of a cult. Can i say the C word?
Posted by john wayne gacy | December 26, 2008, 3:40 pmsorry i was vaguly aware of him i just new about the suicide situation… but i dont think that Manson should be on here.
Posted by Parker | December 26, 2008, 5:24 pm@John Wayne Gacy
… who has Charles manson killed though?
Jim Jones convinced his cult to kill themselves together… leading to over 900 deaths.. most in cult history. Charles mansons family were responsible for deaths too. both men never killed anyone though. that im aware of.
Posted by Parker | December 27, 2008, 2:20 amUhmarent we forgetting about the zodiac killler? Sure, we know very few things about him but isn’t he a “famous” serial killer as well? I mean, he has his own movie too. Much like ed gein and other killers……
Posted by Aubrey | January 2, 2009, 1:47 amThis article was very well put together. I enjoyed reading this. As some people may think that all of these Serial Killers are sick individuals (which they are) i find them very fascinating. Also in a way i look up to them, not from a Serial Killer point of view but from a very self loyal point of view. I like to stay true to myself and if this how these men and woman were then atleast they were true to who they were. Now im NOT saying that that gives them the right to go kill people because thats what they wanted. It like hitler, he was a horrible person but had a ton of power. I also look up to him as to how he acquired all of his power. Now if he had used it for something good, he would have been extrodinary. But then again him and including all of these men and woman would have never been as adored or hated by society if they would have been good. Face it…America loves bad news and sadness. Take a look at the news and you’ll agree.
Posted by Connor | January 2, 2009, 10:55 pmJohn it seems to me that you have some issues that you need to tend to seeing as you think that george w. bush is a terrorist. I know he wasnt the greatest president we have ever had but its pretty pathetic that you think that killing terrorsts is a bad thing. Your a f****** idiot.
Posted by Sally | January 8, 2009, 11:41 amFirst of all, I’d like to say that whoever that Mariam person is summed up my thoughts as well! I’ve always been fascinated by all sorts of psychological disorders… especially ones like sociopathic behavior because I simply can’t quite wrap my mind around how someone could be that way. Anyway, all in all I thought it was a very good and informative article – even though there probably are and probably always will be people that someone believes should have been mentioned.
On that note, my second thought is that someone who should NOT be mentioned is ANY president of the United States of America. If someone attacks or hurts my home or anyone in it, they will suffer. Bottom line. This country is my home… and you’re damn right that a lesson needed to be taught after 9/11 – “Don’t f*ck with the US.” I’m not saying that I agree with every aspect and decision made about the war, but the country I live in, we VOTE for our President. We ELECT that person to make decisions FOR US in order to protect our country. If you don’t like or agree with that, move to another f*cking country. You do not stand here on American soil and rant your bull*h*t disrespectful opinions – which, by the way, you are only free to even offer up without getting your skull bashed in because of the brave men and women who are fighting this very second for that freedom. Believe what you want to believe, have a political debate all you want – lucky for you, you live in America and nobody can say that you can’t do that. But DO NOT disrespect your President by saying things like he should be on a list of serial killers. That is your President – like it or not.
Posted by Nicole | January 8, 2009, 6:18 pmHe’s far from a serial killer. He should not even be *mentioned* on a list about serial killers. He is a former President, not an effing psychopath, and I thank you for saying what needs to be said.
Thank you for that. I like the people who defend this country. I don’t like George W. Bush (didn’t vote to elect him in the first place), but that’s not because of his actions about 9/11. He’s not a serial killer just because I don’t like him, and people shouldn’t say things like that.
Posted by Anne | September 2, 2010, 9:09 pmnicole i agree with you
we do vote for someone to lead us…
and people should not be saying he is a serial killer. he is doing what he thinks is in our best intrest…
he is not serial killer… neither are the soldiers fighting.. (brother and boyfriend are stationed in Baghdad) they are fighting for us… they are not psycho killers. and it is a shame that so many people have died and had to leave their familys to go FIGHT FOR US but you have to think… what would our country be like with no defence and we never faught? what would have happened after 9 11 if we didnt fight?
if there was another option that would be great but theres not so.. what can we do? vote for another prez and hope he fixes everything… we did and chances are.. he wont and things wont be fixed for a while. but soldiers are not crazy… they have familys and .. girlfriends maybe it would be nice if you thanked them.. instead of insulting them..
Posted by Parker | January 9, 2009, 3:17 amHi ya’ll…I need to admit that I perfectly understand Joe’s motivations, I myself am a victim of the israeli terrorism, and in five years of internet contact with americans, I have never seen any kind of sympathy of their part. I think you people should be using the internet in order to understand the muslim/western conflict [If any]…try to free your minds of all those pre-set ideas taught to you by biased and zionist medias. A last word before I leave: zionists don’t care about humanity, they only care about their own profit.
Posted by MoonLight | January 9, 2009, 11:43 ami actually like the muslum culture.
…. i just like people in general.
i dont think the war was the best idea.
i think its discusting and ignorent to be prejudice to anything.. because not every person can be the same.. the way bias people treat it… not all muslums are the same americans hispanics exc.. everyone has their flaws and everyone has things that they are liked for..
Posted by Parker | January 11, 2009, 6:45 amBrett, i think most people will agree with me that you are sick.
Posted by Bill Buttlicker | January 12, 2009, 12:19 pmI just want to know why every one thinks Bush is a terrorist… do you think every other president who went to war is a terrorist? Terrorists intend to terrorize… thats what these men (the serial killers and the al qaeda) did…. i would just like to know how you think bush terrorized people… the troops fight for our country and if you don’t enjoy your freedom then you can get the hell out of this country because i’m tired of people complaining about our troops, our president and most of all our country. Terrorists threatened our freedom… and you people are going to cry about our president deciding to act and refuse to be terrorized… because terrorists intend to terrorized, and we will not be terrorized, and though the troops die… they die with honor and dignity… for their country.
Posted by Dwight Schrute | January 12, 2009, 12:30 pmThank you dwight i couldnt agree more, are you going to say Honest Abe is a killer, George washington(he helped in a war not start it) exc.. what do you think of them?
Posted by Parker | January 14, 2009, 3:27 ami really hate qouting comedians on political matters but Carlos Mencia who i hate the most, not because of his race but his garbage that comedy central lets him stream to millions of people, we didn’t have to REELECT him for presidency and like carlos said, “Did we hate him the during the first term YES, did he huge mistakes during his first term Yes ,did we do the dumb a*s thing of REELECTing him YES. People who didn’t vote don’t post anything because you had the right and chose not to use it. And john remember arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics, even if you win you are still retarded. I too served 26 years in the Marines and served my time in Iraq so don’t start ranting on about how people don’t know shit because all they know is what they see on tv. I fought to make sure that my family and friends could post stuff to make sure you felt like a dumb a*s for saying George Bush is a terrorist.
Posted by James | January 15, 2009, 12:29 amsorry correction in the name not john but joe. no beef towards john, btw i wouldn’t be proud of the fact that your named after a serial killer.
Posted by James | January 15, 2009, 12:41 amVery Nice article, Thak you for the information
Posted by Shefin | January 18, 2009, 7:42 amYou have one fact slightly wrong – Ed Gein is the inspiration for Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs, not Anthony Hopkins’ character, Dr. Lecter. Cool article otherwise, although these types of people disgust me, I am fascinated by what creates these monsters.
Posted by Jimmy K | January 19, 2009, 3:46 amummmmm crrrrrrEEEEEEEEPPPPYYYYYYYYY!!!
!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by joejoe | January 26, 2009, 4:24 pmListen, I think everyone is missing the point on the whole George Bush thig…it wasn’t his fault that the terrorists decided to attack like they did. In fact, his dumba** father decided to draw first blood. Then when Clinton was in office, he had a chnace to put an end to that. He knew where the leader was and he knew that he could stop them, but he chose to be the pretty-boy president and sit around getting blown all day(thanks monica!you are a treat!). George BUsh had nothing to do but to react to the circumstances that he was faced with because of the decisions that were made before he came into office. Do i think his decisions were smart? NO. But i do not beleive that we can blame him for doing what he thought was best for his country. In the end, you have to remember how lonely it is to be the president and how much stress is put on you to keep the counrty safe. He cracked under pressure, and no one else can say they wouldn’t. So i think it is a little unfair to call him a serial killer, or a terrorist, or to even say that he supports it. Because at the end of the day, George Bush is just a man in an office trying to decide what is the best course of action for our country.
But besides that,i beleive that this is an stupendous article and I enjoyed reading it.
Posted by Shana | January 27, 2009, 3:57 pmcharles manson never killed anyone and as far as i am consered he is one of the smartest people in american history
MANSON FOR PRESIDENT
Posted by dylan | January 29, 2009, 9:32 pmWith all the comments on here and i have read all of them, there are a couple of people who actually make sense, jwgacy being one of them and what dylan has said has to be the best comment so far, manson for president, now he would certainly sort out those f—–g rag heads ,no messing with good old charlie boy, no more mister nice guy, you will all realise then all these SK,s are bloody smart individuals, get rid of the retard(well, they have now havent they?) and that quote manson for president is the best quote since my main man uttered those chilling words to the shivering scared young homosexual in his room “The Trick Is, To Have The Key” HA HA NUFF SAID.
Posted by john wayne gacy | January 30, 2009, 9:50 ammanson for president the best quote? no not really did you do any reading at all or is your ADD/ADHD that severe…. manson wanted to take down all black he wanted to start a race war and that is the last thing that we need to go back to. there is a reason we had a civil war and so many of our fathers died it was not to protect ourselves from another nation or from people trying to take away our freedoms to live, it was to protect the liberties of all american citizens… the whole manson for president comment get the award for dumbest statement on this site next up would have to be any bush is a terrorist statement or that he should be on the list with the rest of the serial killers… look up the definitions of what both mean bush does not fit into any of those categories if you find so twisted way to make his character fit into one then you might as well join al queda and believe the perversions they do to the holy coran … a book that teaches loving thy fellow man and never answering violence with more violence. learn the facts and become educated on a topic then open your mouth … and college student in there first year can tell you that you can’t write an argumentive research paper without getting all the facts and debunking the other sides rebuttle. i know this is an online topic and most people reading this sort of thing just use there computer for forums and porn but google in the scholarly section and get some straight facts then come back and share your knowledge with others that may not know as much as you do on a topic… its the only way we as americans can stop being ignorant and hated by the rest of the world… don’t blame your own short cummings and problems on the government or its officials they were elected by us it just so happens that the majority of americans are retarted so change that and change this country for the better “pay it forward’ as it were
Posted by ginger fish | February 3, 2009, 8:36 amSorry, but i have that reading disorder, you know the one, so anyway im replying to the comment made by “ginger —-” firstly im not american im german and secondly ginger —- why dont you lighten up a bit ya ——–. Ever heard of “——–”. Obviously not in your case. I stand by what i believe “MANSON FOR PRESIDENT”. Didnt he like ———————— parties amongst the Californian sand dunes? Well, that sounds mighty fine to me boy. So long ——. x
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Posted by Hasan | February 3, 2009, 3:33 pmI cant believe these people! It’s awful what they’ve done o.o Especially Ed Gein, Belle Sorenson Gunness and Gary Ridgway. Awful, awful people =[ Most of these include rape (no shock there)
Posted by Tamara from da UK :D | February 3, 2009, 5:08 pmjohn…. john john john….. maybe you should listen to your liberal whining lady friend…. you ARE giving liberals a bad name for bashing george bush…. you are no better than at terrorist only because you cant just be an american and support the head of the great nation we know as america….. i am a conservative and you can bet that i will support obama from now on because he is now the head honcho. stooping to your level and blogging slander about george bush is very childish. you can bet bottom dollar that one of the reasons that you have the freedom to bad mouth GWB is because of his ideals and his forethought to proceed into the fight against terrorism. you are truly a coward and i hope that all liberals are not as outlandish and far-fetched as you are.
Posted by justin time | February 4, 2009, 4:20 pmthats total awesome dude!!
Posted by si si s la | February 6, 2009, 1:07 pmAnd what about Adolf Hitler: 6 million Jews he killed….
Posted by Juliette | February 7, 2009, 11:29 amYou forgot to put him on top of your list!!
Posted by Juliette | February 7, 2009, 11:30 am@Juliette – And what did jews did in return? Destroyed the world and then took over the banking, education, food and media.
Posted by Bill | February 7, 2009, 12:33 pmAdolf Hitler didnt kill ONE single person, he was just misunderstood thats all. A brilliant man who did it his way. Nobody slagged off frank sinatra when he did it his way.
Posted by john wayne gacy | February 7, 2009, 12:43 pm@Bill: what kind of BS are you talking about!!!!! You re some Jew-hater!! They were murdered, slaughtered and tortured by ADOLF HITLER!!! They NEVER destroyed the world. They were blessed by the Almighty and still are being blessed and the world is jealous about that! The Jes are God´s peolple, don´t mess with th children of the Lord says the Holy Bible.
@john wayne gacy: indeed Hitler didnot kill one single person, he was just like Charles Manson, he neither did not kill one single person and yet he is convicted as a murderer!! HITLER flew his a** from Germany that´s why he could not be convicted.
You 2 guys go and study the history because you are talking real stupid things here!!
Posted by Juliette | February 7, 2009, 2:24 pm@Bill: just like Charles Manson, Adolf was responsible for the murder of 6 million Jews, so he WAS a murderer!!! I said WAs because thank God the SOB is already burning in hell!!
Posted by Juliette | February 7, 2009, 2:27 pm@John wayne gacy: what a sick mind you must have to even compare a great singer like Frank sinatra with a he-devil like Adolf Hitler. Shame on you. Frank will turn around in his grave if he was able to read this garbage of yours!
Posted by Juliette | February 7, 2009, 2:30 pmWell, I just want you people to pay your attention on the issue which is popular every where in thr world that Muslims are terrorists. If you come to know this report then you will realize that no one have ever made an issue of these american serial killers. Why didn’t the call terrorists? yes, because they are not Muslims so we have come to know that there is a lobby behind this issue that Muslims are terrorists and they want to vanish Muslims out from this world.
Posted by Passenger67 | February 7, 2009, 2:35 pmJuliette, ever heard of wrongful imprisonment, good old charlie might of been convicted of murder, that doesnt mean he did it. Thousands of people are put away for something they aint done. Dodgy police, Dodgy Judges all taking back handers. The media was fed so much bs on quiet law abiding mr manson that it was a clear cut case of guilty before proven innocent. As for Adolf, what would they of charged him with? upsetting a few inferior jews maybe or excessive use of germanys main gas outlets perhaps, get things into perspective julieann before you get on here and start defending mr and mrs Goldsteinburg.
Posted by john wayne gacy | February 7, 2009, 2:38 pm@John wayne: go study the history. You are writing nonsense. People are laughing at you. I am not going to argue with you no more about this subject. You are far below my level of intellience.
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Posted by Hasan | February 7, 2009, 3:03 pmFirstly juliette let me explain who i am,(apart from the person who set out to wind you up and suceeded) I am jwgacy as you know, i am also Chief Advisor to the British Forensics Institute of Forensic Medicine and Digital Evidence here in London. I am a Foresic scientist and also have phd.s in Palynology, Toxicology and Behaviour Studies of the mind of class A-1st Serial Killers. So i know what im talking about thankyou. You shouldnt of let me wind you in and land you like that, it wasnt that much of a challenge. Still, life goes on.
Posted by john wayne gacy | February 7, 2009, 4:57 pmListen mr. john wayne, I do not care who you are, you are writing such stupid things that I know, despite of all your titles, that you are far below my level of intelligence. Again, go and study history of WWII.
Posted by Juliette | February 7, 2009, 5:22 pmJohn, you can have all the titles in the world, I stand far above you, that is one thing I know for sure. Actually I feel pity for you, I´m sorry…..
Posted by Juliette | February 7, 2009, 5:25 pmI study the minds of Crazed Serial killers, why would i want to study something that happened years ago darling, that has past, the reason i am on here in the first place is because it is an article right up my street. As for you being stood above me you are getting illusions which first started Ian Brady off thinking he was better than other people he didnt know. So be careful my dear.
Posted by john wayne gacy | February 7, 2009, 5:31 pmJohn wayne, you should study WWII because you wrote stupidity. I do not know you Mister but from those stupid things you wrote in former comments, I can see that you you are not so smart. I don´t have to be careful. I said to you what I had to say. Sorry, but I don´t wish to continue arguing with you. You are not interesting to me.
Posted by Juliette | February 7, 2009, 5:39 pmManson did Not kill Sharon tate or anyone else as far as anyone know.
He is not a seriall killer – do some reading before you post stuff like this.
Posted by sigh | February 7, 2009, 6:38 pmNo, Manson is the saint himself!!!
Come on give me a break!!! He was the BRAIN behind all these murders, that´s the same thing as being a murderer!! Just look at his eyes, he is the devil himself in person.
Posted by Juliette | February 7, 2009, 7:04 pm@Juliette: I don’t hate all jews but those who have caused world wars, who control the media, who control the food and medicine, the banking system, who own the UN and the world bank, Federal reserve and the Bank of England and most important of all who control the United States of America. It is because of the Jews and Jewish Policies that Americans are suffering today. America and Americans are being hated in the world because Jews are playing at the back end and forcing Americans to go for wars, pay taxes and interests. It’s high time that Americans should kick these guys out!
They were murdered and slaughtered and so they are murdering and slaughtering in Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine. On top of that, they haven’t yet stopped, they can’t stop the dirty game of causing unrest and gathering the wealth of the world.
As for Jews being the chosen and blessed people.. Why were the chosen people not granted any land on earth? Finally they had to snatch a land by causing the two world wars… For the information of everyone out here.. Israel is the only country in the world which doesn’t have a line of control or border because it keeps on increasing as the brutal israeli forces go deep in palestine but nobody ever says anything because Jews control everything.
You are talking about the Jews being chosen people and quoting Bible? That’s sick! You need to do some research on what you are saying.. Here are a couple of reads I would suggest:
The International Jew
The protocols of the learned elders of zion
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Furthermore, for the chosen people, I have some video links exposing the truth about Jews.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8ilCLqw_Cs&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RjnvQHWyLE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y60H4m87LOA
Posted by Bill | February 8, 2009, 2:03 am@Bill: I am not going to argue with you about the Jews. If you want to know something more about the Middle East open this site:
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/
Posted by Juliette | February 8, 2009, 8:40 am@Juliette: You can’t argue with me because you don’t have anything to argue and so you presented me a bogus website.
Let’s concentrate on this topic of SK’s.
Great read!
Posted by Bill | February 8, 2009, 9:36 amI have a lot to argue, but don´t you think to argue about the Jews and Arabs in this way is a little silly? One never can write everything down. So that´s why I told you I do´t want t argue about this middle east thing. And that video you saw is not bogus, but I can understand, people don´t like to know the truth, sometimes the truth hurts.
Posted by Juliette | February 8, 2009, 9:47 amThey forgot Dean Corll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Corll
Posted by Jimmy | February 8, 2009, 3:34 pmYeah the candy man. What about david ray, he was a mean son of a gun was he not? I saw a clip with that woman who helped him and she was asked “being a woman yourself how did you feel when david ray was torturing them?” She said “nothing really, it wasnt as if he was beating them to a pulp and there wasnt ant blood or anything”" I thought to myself “she has got a fair point there, not as if he was cutting their tits off or slicing them open jack the ripper style. Know wot i mean?
Posted by john wayne gacy | February 8, 2009, 4:25 pm@Juliette: So you want to know the truth?
Check this http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m51363&hd=&size=1&l=e
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7859797.stm
And this
http://www.thelocal.se/17366/20090205/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtvhEK3WjNU
Posted by Bill | February 9, 2009, 2:05 am@Bill: the thruth is written in the holy Bible, the King James version, the one and only reliable bible. Start reading the Bible and you will find out the truth about this whole Middle East thing with the Jews. Finito!!
Posted by Juliette | February 9, 2009, 1:58 pmUmm..for everyone that’s asking about serial killers from other countries, read the article of the article.. it’s called AMERICA’S famous serial killers…. that is all! ^_^
BTW! Good article! ^-^ Kept my interest and is, most likely, going to be quoted in my essay for English! =D
Posted by Spider | February 10, 2009, 5:09 pmOh yeah I totally forgot that the Bible is 100% true. I wonder when they discovered that out, because last time I knew maybe some of it was proven true..to me the Bible is like a Harry Potter book..it’s a good read and has good morals..but at the end of the day, it’s all fairy tale..good god Juliette.
Posted by TopCity | February 10, 2009, 7:24 pmYou liberal m****s don’t have any idea. what you are talkng about. We are in a war against people who murder civilians and spread terror. 94% of civilian casualties in the war are due to car bombs and suicide bombers. America and Bush are not to blame for the actions of al’quida or other various islamic extremists. all you people do is watch msnbc 24/7. you do no research, none whatsoever.
Posted by arby | February 11, 2009, 9:21 amoh and Bill. the jews do not control the banking system, the media or any of the other things you mentioned. you have no REAL evidence for any of this. The jews are a religious minority in america. they are one of the least influential groups of people in europe or the US. you are just too brainwashed to see past the palestinian propaganda and lies to see reality. It is so sad that people can be so backward.
Posted by arby | February 11, 2009, 9:26 ambill, let me educate you. Palestine is not a country. It never was. There is no such place on a map and there never has been. After world war 1 The ottoman empire was toppled than the land was taken under occupation by the UN until a new government could be established. During this time the zionist movement was going on and The jew were trying to reclaim land that was theirs thousands of years ealier (long before the “palestinians” and muslims. By the end of world war 2, tens of thousands of jews were displaced and were drawn to their homeland, thus the zionist movement grew. The arabs had failed over the last 3 decades to form a government of their own but the jews were ready to form a nation. Winston Churchill and the UN decided to allow the jews to form their own nation and to be fair they allowed the arabs to form their own as well (the land was divided equally). in 1947 when israel was founded immediatly there was an invasion by their neighboring arab country jordan. it was not alone. Seria iran and suadia arbia joined the coalition to crush israel. while this is happening thousands of jews in arab countries were beaten, murdered and forced out of their homes. Israel defended itself and won in the end suffering the loss of 10% of their population. in order to keep the insurgents under control they planned to occupy the neighboring countries of gaza and jordan. now what do these countries do? do they cooperate? Do they cease attacks on israeli civilians? NO. they continued to attack israel, and they still do today. israel suffers constant attacks from the PLO even after they cease occupations of these countries. Israel is the only victim. “palestine” is only a organization of anti-semetic arabs who cannot tolerate the existence of a jewish state. This fight is not about occupation. they attacked israel long before that. This is not about stolen land. The land was never theirs. this is not about liberation. he only reason why israel is in these countries is for self defense. This fight is about the erradication of the jews from the middle east. The palestinians will do or say anything to get the west to support them. They will lie to you and make you beleive they are the victim, when in reality israel is only defending itself. The liberal media has already joined their side. the jews dont control the media. if they did you would actually see the israeli schools that were bombed in december. you would see hamas using children as human shields. you would see the israeli soldiers using the worlds most advanced technology to avoid civillian casualties. you would see hamas hiding in schools to protect themselves. you would see the arab leaders announcing their support for hamas. you would see the people of gaza holding rallies for hamas. you would see hamas and the PLO declaring their primary goal. the destruction of israel and everyone in it.
Posted by arby | February 11, 2009, 9:59 amFinally someone who really knows the history of the Middle East. Arby, let´s see if they can understand.
Posted by Juliette | February 11, 2009, 7:49 pm@TopCity: I´m not going to argue with you about the Holy Bible, if you think it is like a Harry Potter book, go ahead. You have a free will to believe and choose whatever you like. But what if you die and you find out there IS a God? Than it would be too late for you my friend. It´s better to die and believe there is a God, than to die thinking and believing there is NO God and find out after dying that there IS really a God.
Posted by Juliette | February 11, 2009, 7:58 pmaren’t we forgetting one thing? a serial killer has no religion, no nationality, no cause…no sense of right or wrong…he lives in a world created not by God or devil or the big bang theory…he lives in a world created by his own fevered brain…why would we confuse between him/her and something bigger like the politics of nation or religion…
Posted by smita | February 17, 2009, 7:35 amYou guys need so respect fro some people that really are religous you know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Celeste | February 17, 2009, 12:02 pmlook up charles starkweather. 11 dead in 2 month span.
Posted by Gary | February 18, 2009, 9:13 pmWow, well spoken Arby. Well spoken. [Typed]
Posted by Tommy | February 20, 2009, 12:52 am@Tommy: open this site below, very interesting.
more about the Middle East open this site:
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/
Posted by Juliette | February 20, 2009, 1:59 pmI HOPE they have learned from wat they did am sssssssssssoooooooooooooo glad te bundy has dead
Posted by paris | February 22, 2009, 4:20 pmthis is radical
Posted by ejwest | February 24, 2009, 2:26 pmOk joe, its people like U that I cant help but punch in the face. I cant stand morons that don’t recognize that thousands of Americans died on 9/11. why don’t u say we shouldn’t of went to the families of 9/11 victims? I have a good friend who has several family members who were supposed to be at the trade center on 9/11 but were given off those days, and were spared by God. and the real retards are those genocidal terrorists in the taliban and al quada. And congress approved the war, the president cant just send troops to a foreign country. Those friggin retards over there were killing their own people and thousands of kurds. And u should be against war, its been said by a general, “any soldier worth his salt should be against war.” But some things are worth fighting for, LIKE THE LIVES OF YOUR FELLOW AMERICANS, if u forgot they were in danger of terrorists. But im glad I didn’t have to serve with u, because morons like shouldn’t be given a gun. Because those bullets were fired in the name of every person that died in the 9/11 attacks by al quada.
Posted by eastcoastrapper | February 26, 2009, 1:39 amTHIS IS ALL SICK. WHAT WERE THIS PPL THINKNG WHEN THEY WOULD KILL THIS PPL. WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT
Posted by HALOJ4 | February 28, 2009, 4:06 amI have been trying to learn about these types of people out of interest, the only thing I don’t understand is why it is always reported of a default childhood or neighbours animals?,
they are the way they are or due to a considerable amount of bad luck they must get frustrated and fed up living the way common people do in our suits our politics and everything that goes with it, maybe.. just saying. they see things for what they realy are? we are all so jaded by everydays society that they lash out in the most incredible violence, yes a cry for help but we know that modern tried of medical history has always failed. many of these people are still behind bars awaiting the chair or leathal injection, but how come so many are still there? why is it so many before them have already gone why are they still here?? how come it takes so long for these originals to be taken care of costing millions a year to keep locked up?
Posted by Diefenbaker | February 28, 2009, 2:09 pmoh and one more thing, George W. Bush, anyone who has the power to send military forces to a country, take away lives with nothing but a pen stroke? SHOULD be considered a serial killer as many of thousands of inocent people died for causes they did not understand. yes we know that apparently serial killers work with blue print and such but like everyday people, whos to say they can’t change the way they do things?? in a posision of power? who better to become a serial killer, why do it yourself when you can command others to do it for you? Manson did for alot of the time unles he had to or wanted to get involved.
Posted by Diefenbaker | February 28, 2009, 2:16 pmWhat about B.T.K? He should definetly be on here
Posted by AJ Mood | March 1, 2009, 8:49 pmOMG! You have seriously been at this for what 2 months now? Juilette, come on from the comments you’ve left I can tell you are a very dependent, emotional, strong woman but F@@K give everyone a break!! People come on here to read about the CRAZY @** monsters that killed, raped, mutilated innocent people not to come on her a go on and on and on about the war in Iraq! DO YOU SEE ANYTHING ABOUT THAT ON HERE?? You say all this stuff about how bad they are CHILDREN GET KILLED everyday over there. FOR JOHN:::: GO F**K yourself do you even get what ur talking about? Your saying we should all vote and elect a mad man? someone who brainwashed “his family” and had them kill yeah thats JUST WHAT WE NEED!!! Yet another George W Bush.
So what im getting at, is STOP FIGHTING OVER THE INTERNET AND GET A FLIPPIN’ LIFE
Posted by Christine | March 1, 2009, 9:59 pm@Chrtistine: I give no one a break. I say what I hav to say because the ones I replied to just wrote down BS!!! They must know history before they talk nonsence. And don´t write down things about me like if you know me ok?? Keep your personal comments over me to yourself for you don´t know me at all. So don´t come with this crap from dependent, emotional strong woman business!!! And what the F… are you doing here on the internet?? You are telling us not to fight, so what do you call your filthy language??? I think YOU better get a flippin´f… life!!!!
Posted by Juliette | March 2, 2009, 3:02 pmI came to this site to read some things about some of the most f****d up people in history. Then I started to read all the comments and I thought I just had to give my insight. I am a Canadian with a European background and I just love all the Americans who say we did not choose to go to war. And I know most of you are thinking, what does a Canadian know about America. For one most of our channels and media is based on American media and for us up here in the North we like to venture out of our box and learn about the rest of the world which surrounds us.
First off war is what it is, and there will be many casualties. It is not pretty and it will never be and that is why it is dreaded. Those soldiers who do not believe in a war they are going to should stand up and maybe withdraw from the military. I do believe they are not sending children off to war who can’t decide for themselves. But I guess that is why they say the military is full of jarheads, mindless tools who do as they are told and do not question. I myself have lost and I do feel sad for those who never make it home but I will not cry and blame the government for their death. I will praise these soldiers for going off to fight for that was their decision.
I also love hearing how Americans just love to blame their favourite president and say he is a terrorist. If I am not mistaken Iraq was invaded before Bush was re-elected for president. If so many people were against this war why was he ever re-elected? And why was this war left to go on for so long? As for Bush being a terrorist I think that is just hilarious. Bush isn’t the one pulling the trigger and deciding on who is innocent. For any war crimes committed those in the military who committ these acts should be held accountable. We entrust our brothers, fathers, sisters and whoever else to make morale decisions when they are out there fighting for their lives. However in every war there are war crimes committed and if you do not believe this then you truly are a moron. As I said I have a european background and in the early 90′s my country went to war. During this war thousands were killed and thousands were deported. Now many years after the war one of our Generals is being tried for war crimes. To us, this man is a hero and is celebrated for winning the war and we do not consider him a terrorist. I do not doubt that war crimes were committed, but I know for a fact that it was committed on both halves as many of my family members were killed. In war it is either you or them, it’s not pretty but it is the truth.
The truth is we live in a democracy and in a democracy we are given the right to stand up and be heard for ourselves. Now usually up here when we don’t like the guy running our country we try to get his a*s out of parliament. We are suppose to elect officials who best represent us as a country. Now I know everyone did not vote for Bush, but I also never saw any huge protests in the US as in other places. Yeah you had a couple of thousand people here and there like in Chicago and San Fransico but for a population of over 300 million that is kind of weak. In Italy around 3,000,000 people gathered to protest at a single event and their population is around 60 million. Even America’s best friends, the French had larger protests and even we have up here. However many people just like to talk and think if they say to their friends they don’t like the war that they are protesting, and if it isn’t in their backyard they are just to lazy to actually get out and do something about it.
I think it is pathetic how most of America just seems to be complaining. Like I said before we get a lot of media coverage from America. When Obama was elected I saw a lot of Americans, especially celebrities and the so called higher classes saying “Now we can rebuild our country”. I found this funny thinking why couldn’t you do it earlier? You mean to tell me this one little man, Bush, was holding a whole country back. How did America ever become the most powerful country in the world when they can’t stand up and “rebuild themselves”? But I guess you were all waiting for your white knight Obama, to come save you. I know that you are thinking “Well Canada went to war”. This is true and we have even had soldiers who were mistakenly killed by our allies, I won’t name any names. However Canada and England only went to war out of fear of losing our relationship with our number one friend. But I won’t cry and complain and blame one man for all those lost because EVERYONE MAKES CHOICES FOR THEMSELVES AND THEY ALONE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN CHOICES. Soldiers know the possibilities of going to war and they have the choice of joing the military even if they don’t get to choose the war. So in the end stop sounding so pathetic and actually do something about it.
Posted by L | March 4, 2009, 11:54 pmGood article.
Posted by darren | March 5, 2009, 12:44 pmwho ever wrote this did an amazing job.
Posted by marie | March 8, 2009, 10:32 amI love how people who live in this country are calling former and or current presidents terriosts. I have just one thing to say….if you think its so bad in america and everyone is a terriost, why do you leave and go to pakistan or afghanistan and live. maybe then you will see how it is to TRUELY live under a terriost rule. do you walk around thinking President Obama is going to send someone to kill your mother? father? brother? sister? children? NO! so please stop. you make yourself look foolish and and u show your lack of grey matter.
Posted by justice | March 11, 2009, 3:14 pmAlright.. you guys are so moronic. Its not like we hold a draft. People choose to join the military in the U.S. So get your facts straight, he’s not considered a seriel killer.
Posted by Jason | March 11, 2009, 4:36 pmIf your going to put it that way, every country leader is a seriel killer, because every leader of ever nation has the say on what goes on with there military.. freakin Morons.
Posted by Jason | March 11, 2009, 4:37 pmI just want to say that I can’t believe all you people want to turn a “Serial Killer” site into some lame political conversation. These people were sick and they killed out of lust and hate. Soldiers kill, because there trained to kill BIG difference. Serial killers are psychopaths thats what makes them so interesting. There not like you or me.
Posted by shadow 1 | March 14, 2009, 10:52 pmWhat about the Zodiac???? To me he is the most famous
Posted by Laura | March 18, 2009, 1:32 pmWhy does a country of 200 million odd people have the highest number of serial killers in the world????? I mean, that’s got to mean something. It’s not just a coincidence. The fact that americans have everything just means that they respect nothing.
Posted by Bebo | March 20, 2009, 4:59 am1Bebo: Americans originally come from Europe, Poland and all those strange countries….so who can you tell is a real American???? They are all surrogates. I think the Indians are real Americans, but they don´t harm not even a fly…..
Posted by Yvon | March 20, 2009, 4:35 pmFirst off, American is more of a title than anything else, it is meant to let others know what you represent. The Native Americans where and still are a great people but they warred with everyone, even other tribes so don’t make everyone else the bad guy. Secondly, Everyone complaining about how G.W. Bush is a killer and all, stop it you anti-American p*****s. I know he made mistakes but you’re only listening to half of the story. I have met several of the middle eastern people who have expressed gratitude for what we have done. We have given them a freedom they never had before and they WANT IT. You’re only hearing how Bush is a killer, then you would have to say that EVERY president is a mass murderer including the founding fathers who gave us this mighty nation with the blood of our own ancestors who where fighting for a chance for their families and future generations. Right now we take everything we have for granted, that it’s a spit in the eye of all of those who gave their lives FOR YOU and everyone who lives here to excel at whatever they give themselves to.
Posted by Cam the Man | March 24, 2009, 11:37 pmI am going to kill every Canadian Citizen.
in 22 days
Posted by Jason Anderson | March 25, 2009, 4:30 pmAnd bebo will die.
Posted by Jason Anderson | March 25, 2009, 4:32 pmDude, What are you babbling about?
Posted by Cam the Man | March 26, 2009, 1:59 amWow I had more fun reading the comments then I did the actual article and I think its very funny how certain people stopped commenting when someone else put in something that made sense anyways in all that I read I really found it plain silly that anyone can sit back and blame isreal for anything sure Jews come across as greedy but if my nationality was constantly attacked and always had some other country trying to erase it from existence I would get a bit greedy too since isreal walked out of Egypt they have had to deal with tribe after tribes of people trying to exterminate them and unfortunatly for them that will continue untill Jesus returns and cast Satan into the bottomless pit for eternity and that day is coming soon I hope all who read this are prepared for the glorious day of the Lord……..for God so loved the world that He sent His only Son so that who ever believes in Him shall not parish but will have ever lasting life John 3:16 God bless you all
Posted by Alex | March 26, 2009, 4:03 am@Alex. You are 100% right. God bless you in Jesus´name.
Posted by Juliette | March 26, 2009, 3:57 pmI’ve seen Charles Manson turn up on several of these “serial killer” lists, but it occurs to me that Manson should be included in an as yet unacknowledged NEW category…Mass/serial murder by domination/mind control…Most examples of THIS type of killer also fall under the heading of ‘cult’ killers, and would include Jim Jones, David Koresh, and the like, as well as GROUP killers, such as the KKK and other Societies…
Hmmm…I think this may be a promising new line of research…Any suggestions from the author as to defining terms, limiting factors/circumstances, etc.?
Posted by Wulf | March 30, 2009, 4:54 amRegarding my previous post: I’m also aware that this category potentially includes some heads of state as well as sovreign nations…Idi Amin’s propensity for killing his enemies and EATING them, not to mention the Holocaust, could easily be listed under a broad definition…I’d like to narrow that parameter somewhat for purposes of this discussion…
Posted by Wulf | March 30, 2009, 4:57 amlol Charles Mansion is hot
Posted by Marissa and Sarah | March 30, 2009, 12:06 pmthese people are f**king crazy!!!!!
Posted by britney | March 30, 2009, 3:01 pmI wish you all would shut up abou the politic thing!There are other websites for that. As far as this one goes, you guys could have done a much better job. I have been studying serial killers for over 20 years, and there is not a single one i know nothing about. Ed gein was not a serial killer, he was a grave robber. Now, he did kill two women, but in order to be named as a serial killer, you must kill three or more. Charles Manson – not a serial killer. He was a cult leader who got nieve people to do his bidding trough mind altering drugs.- Andrew Cunanan was a spree killer. If you really want to read up on serial killers, go to Crime tv. com. They have some REAL serial killers there.
Posted by Lena Whitman | April 2, 2009, 9:46 amCharles manson has to be one of the best. He would have gotten away free if he did not have the girls blabbing their mouths. I have spent my entire high school carrer studying him and other alike. i enjoyed this article completly. I just wish idiots would stop leavings dumb comments about the war
Posted by Brandon | April 3, 2009, 1:07 pmI look at these all the time…. I feel frightening. x]
Posted by Kuromi | April 3, 2009, 7:39 pmNo…. Manson IS the best. There is no question. Although Webster was pretty good too…I wish to create a replica of that mansion…
Posted by Kuromi | April 3, 2009, 7:43 pmyou charles manson lovers must be as evil as he is
Posted by yvonne | April 4, 2009, 12:25 pmWhat I find funny is that if your trained by a military force than it’s acceptable to kill. I know there is a difference ok, but still. Killing is killing period. If you look at most of their past they were traumatized as children and well I have to say that if you suppress people at some point they snap! Very sad.
Posted by christy | April 6, 2009, 12:23 amEd Gein wasn’t a serial killer he only killed two people. Charles Manson wasnt a serial killer either, he never killed anyone.
Posted by JaCk | April 6, 2009, 6:15 pmWow, i enjoyed this article but the idiots that took this off topic and mentioned politics and religion should be trapped in a room with a real serial killer. Im doubting the author made this article to hear a bunch of ignorant hubris completely irrelevant to his subject. It dosent matter what you think in real life, when you’re hiding behind anonyimity, it has no bearing.
Posted by CommonMan | April 7, 2009, 10:51 amThere is so much to comment on. I want to stay on topic so bad but it is hard with all of the negative comments getting thrown around. Quickly, I can not stand when people TRY to brag about their education. Always annoying John Gacy. Especially when your grammar isn’t to hot. Not surprised you didn’t mention an English award in your little biography of your self. Let me guess, that’s your next accomplishment that you will mention in an article about child molesters. Way to stay on topic. That’s done. Next, Oh sweet Joe. Good Bless my friend. I mean that. I to suffer from PTSD, it is not fun but it is managable if you work at it. To all the people with your comments about other races. Igonorance is bliss isn’t it. Must be nice to live in your little bubble. Make it a good day guys. It works if you work it.
Posted by Carrie | April 8, 2009, 3:50 pmIm better than all of you, i hope anyone who disagrees with me dies
Posted by john wayne gacy | April 9, 2009, 11:00 amUnlike some of you, I didnt come here to wow over these killers. I think that my interest stems from the same fears as people who look up sex ofenders that may be in there nieghborhood. Its the fact that most of these killers look normal, everyday Joes and Janes. They work in normal jobs, have normal families, hell they even have active spots in thier churches (BTK killer Dennis Rader http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/unsolved/btk/18.html ). How do you know these people BEFORE you become the victim? Ive had people ask me how I can stand to read all the bad things that these killers have done? The answer? Because I have people I love and care about and when I look into the face of new people in thier lives I want to be able to recognize the thing that makes serial killers tick. Doesnt everyone? Is there one thing that makes serial killers kill? A bad childhood? From the sound of Joe Ball (http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/history/joe_ball/index.html ) he was a son of a wealthy family that was well structured. Ball and BTK were both miltary, so it cant be lack of structure.
Posted by Terin | April 10, 2009, 2:51 pm(Cont.) Dr. Larry C. Ford ( http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/terrorists_spies/terrorists/larry_ford/1.html ) was a educated man so these killers arent just left to lower educated people. The females, well you have the black widows who you think might kill because of thier lives as children but in reality, no ones life is perfect. Every friend of mine has bits, whether large or small, of thier childhood that they have problems dealing with. They havent become serial killers. And what would drive a person to kill thier children?
The point of this is, you cant see it in thier faces. For me that is the most horrifying thing. So I study these killers. I look for the little things that might give the unfound killers away. I might not be able to spot them on the street, but if they come to my home or to the homes of my friends and family, I want to see that little tick that gives them away.
Posted by Terin | April 10, 2009, 3:05 pmAlmost all of the serial killers have brain leigons if youre looking for a physical similarity they share. A pyschological similarity they have is that they have little understanding of right and wrong and percieve the world not in the yes of the sane, but in their own concreate world ruled by impulse. @Terin, im not sure its accurate to rule out a cause based on a few individual cases, the illogical cant be judged from a logical standpoint because boundries arent the same. Serial Killers thought process reflect what core humanity is before we evolved a concience to collectively work together for a benefit.
Posted by ImGonnaKIllYou | April 10, 2009, 7:56 pmJoe, comment 45. Your nuts, Soldiers aren’t the ones coming back from wars and becoming serial murders/rapists, people from dysfunctional families and a hard life make them snap. People that are sadists/masochist are the ones that committee most of these crimes. Oh, and Presidents go to war for a reason. They just don’t wake up one day and decide to bomb someone. Read about some of the wars and you’ll learn that every action has a consequence. Like World War One was caused by the assassination of franz ferdinand by the Black Hand. Then Serbia was given an ultimatum from Austria-Hungry, and Serbia gave and unsatisfactory answer which caused a war between the two. Russia was bound to Serbia by treaty and went to war against Austria-Hungry. Germany was an allie to Austria-Hungry, and then declared war on Russia. Well, so on and so forth. It would take to long as to why America go involved. There for our Presidents go to war for reasons, besides without war no innocent people would die. God knows some of these b*st**ds need to die. The Earth’s population is way to high.
Posted by amanda | April 11, 2009, 6:54 pmis this a homophobic website???
Posted by billy joe | April 11, 2009, 8:31 pmYou people need to keep your god damn politics out of this. Also, This isn’t about f****n terrorists; It’s about serial killers.
Posted by Thomas | April 14, 2009, 8:46 pmhaha and i like how everyone on this website tries to act all intelligent with their big a*s words. Grow the f**k up, your not typing an essay.
Posted by Thomas | April 14, 2009, 8:48 pmwow
Posted by Bella | April 15, 2009, 10:19 amI think that whatever they did to theyre victims should be done to them but with torture sick motherf****rs
Posted by Michael | April 17, 2009, 1:56 amI think it’s pretty retarded that you live in this country and speak so badly of your president. A problem with society today is that we don’t respect authority. I am a republican and don’t necessarily like Obama, but he is our president so I respect him as a higher authority. Besides this website is not about our president; it is about serial killers. So before your pathetic self has to find a random website to bitch about politics, think before speaking because you sound like a dumb a*s.
Posted by Hay | April 17, 2009, 3:15 amSerial killers…such an interesting type of people. Innocent people WOULD die even without war btw. Theres a difference between respecting authority and blindly following authority simple because theyre authority (authoritarians for instance?) butl leave it to the republican to dignify it. Serial Killers Serial Killers Serial Killers, did you guyz know that most serial killers have beta blockers? I wonder if that means something…
Posted by Phoopi | April 18, 2009, 10:29 amyou’re all idiots saying Bush should be on there.. if that is the case then every single president in U.S. history should be on there.
Posted by Mark | April 21, 2009, 1:12 amI agree with Mark…What about East Timor…that was an entire genocide and every president since Carter has supported the killing there and supplied the weapons and supplies to do so.
Posted by Megan | April 23, 2009, 10:55 pmSerial killers have a deranged mind because the people around them deprive them of the care and attention they need. To lessen their number, we should always show love and affection to all regardless of race, gender, nationality and religion or beliefs.We are all created equal.We should show love and affection at all times so that when our children grow up, they will also show love instead of hatred.
Posted by Tricia | April 27, 2009, 4:18 pmCheck out the band “macabre” they’ve been around for quite some time, and all their songs are about serial killers.
I’ve skimmed through some of the comments on here, and noticed one person calling people sick for being interested in the topic of serial killers. How did that person find this website in the first place???? hmm…? most likely a search engine. Anyways, I love learning about serial killers, it’s a topic that creates fear in people, and makes way for great movies. I’m curious to see who the next “famous” serial killer is going to be. With so many states dropping the death penalty, I am surprised there aren’t more serial killers prowling around? Or are there.. and we just haven’t connected the pieces…..
Posted by Macabre Fan | April 30, 2009, 1:13 amRare are the occasions that I’ve seen so many brainwashed reactionaries ruin a perfectly quaint blog on psychopathic mass murder. For shame.
Posted by Lord and Lady Douchebag | May 1, 2009, 2:08 amYou all look at these people as if they are the sickest of the sick. They are not however they do what they do best. Kill. Jeffrey D. for example one of the kindest men reporters state “Pleasent to be around” people loved Jeffrey, not once was there a complaint about him other than his animal slaying. He complied with every Police wish 100% he was co-opperative. He did was he did because that is how his mind works. Im sure you do some weird things too that people would think differently of you. He brutally raped and slaughtered 17 people. Yeah, okay he is a killer he deserved what he did, of course he did. But he even said, he was to scared to talk to woman so he killed men, mostly African Americans. He defiled dead woman bodies because he did not have the confidence to ever have sex with one, period.
Jeffrey D. The most famous killer in my opinion. He did what he did because thats how his mind works, end of story. “I really screwed up this time” Jeff said to his father. He never tried to cover anything up hence why there was bones, organs, limbs and heads all over his apartment. He wanted to be caught and stopped. He didn’t want to keep killing.
Posted by Eyes Of Traitors | May 1, 2009, 10:20 amwow…..i jus happened to be bored and caught up on this site cause it interest me. i can’t help but laugh at the comments on here though. i’ve seen the same people commenting from last year up to now lmfao. get a life no disrespect, if it offends someone oh well…it was probably you i was reffering to.
Posted by jaybird | May 2, 2009, 9:29 amYou people amuse me. Watch. . . And enjoy. 6/21/3/11^25/15/21^1/12/12;) 11/9/12/12^25/15/21^19/15/15/14!!! Simplicity.
Posted by Deke | May 6, 2009, 5:37 amOh and by the way. Just to add to this retarded a*s bullsh*t f***n conversation on politics; Presidents don’t have full control over whether or not we to go to war, Congress does. If you pay attention the only true power a president has is the power to veto. Besides that he’s just the face this country uses to blame for all our problems. Did any of you pay attention in school? I know I didn’t but come the f**k on! Can a person come to this site and strike up a good and RELEVANT f**king conversation for f**k sake? PLEASE!
Posted by Deke | May 6, 2009, 5:45 amthis was well done but there are several that have been left out…. Zodiac Killer, The Night Stalker…. those are just two i would like to see some more put on this list but i am surprised to see that no matter where you go to see “Famous Serial Killers” Charles Manson is on every list, if i remember correctly he never killed any one he did how ever cut some ones ear with a sword
Posted by gonphisting | May 9, 2009, 9:35 pmManson is actually considered a mass murderer though he never killed anyone. Either way the man was homocidal. Brainwashing people to kill is probably even worse than killing someone yourself.
Posted by theend | May 9, 2009, 11:41 pmNot every president has gone to war Mark (idiot) Nor have they founded them on false info
Posted by serialkiller | May 11, 2009, 11:09 amcrazy people are mostly gay lol
Posted by kendal | May 12, 2009, 3:55 pm@gonephisting: You are correct that manson never killed anyone. However, he orderd the Tate/La Bianca killings. He know those houses and he know the people that lived there. Just because he did not lift a finger in their deaths does not mean that he is not responsible because thos people would have never been murdered if he would not have been around.
As for a post I read about Manson not killing anyone and thats why he did not get the death penalty. That is incorrect. He was sentenced to death along with the girls but California later did away with the death penalty.
Posted by Clockwork | May 13, 2009, 12:37 pmNot most crazy people are gay in the 1st place these are just some people. Even if they are gay then who cares the wanted to fufill their fantasies and im really glad thet they’re dead. Some of the things that these people did is scary to think that it did actually happen to some people. Go to google.com type in crime scene photos find the one with the website: http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/serialkillers/scenes.htm under it and click on it, look at some of those photos and tell me u dont feel sorry for those people especially the 2nd photo of Jeffrey Dahmer’s. this is scary to think that it can happen to you one day.
Posted by Ashley | May 15, 2009, 2:59 pmGod you ppl really need to get a life!! How sad.
Posted by Lianne | May 19, 2009, 11:00 amto serial killer – Get a life.
Posted by Lianne | May 19, 2009, 11:01 amhahaha, some1 posted that some1 else should get a life on a doublepost, irony ftw! Oh well, cant have an irrelevant political discussion without a hyprocrit
Posted by JensonMcCale | May 20, 2009, 12:03 pmall of ya shuddduppppp
dayummm ,
ya missinq the kids who were part of the Colombine Massacre , cmon
Posted by M a r t i n | May 21, 2009, 5:07 pmim a wigger
Posted by M a r t i n | May 22, 2009, 11:58 ambelieve it or not, but i have read EVERY SINGLE COMMENT on this page
and to be quite honest, it has made me laugh. Joe – - totally agree with you that G.W Bush should be on this list, and anyone who says different can say different. these are OPINIONS! opinions means to express what you think and not what others think, i don’t know how soldiers got put into the line, they do what they have to do for their country. i’m not american, but i take my hat off to your soliders and our soldiers (australian), no americans are not the superiors of the world, but it is a place of freedom and opportunity
getting back to the topic:
but it makes me sick of how many freaks there are in the world..
you do have a good list of serial killers here, some of them were a COMPLETE shock, but they were psychos…. i love reading about criminals like this as i would like to study criminology
one more thing; i can’t remember who, but someone quoted “these are mostly american serial killers”
well obviously, the title of the article is “AMERICAS famous serial killers”
ta! xxx
Posted by seza | May 23, 2009, 2:41 am@ john wayne gacy
“Im better than all of you, i hope anyone who disagrees with me dies”
made me ROFL
loves it
Posted by seza | May 23, 2009, 2:43 amI think serial killers are realy insane…I can’t say that I apreciate their work but sometimes it..dazzes me or something like it, because they think every possibilty every single thing. But it’s horryfing.
Posted by Carla | May 25, 2009, 2:08 pmserial killers are fascinating. my friend is the neice of charles manson.
she’s right here. we think that murderers are nifty. personally, dr. holmes interest me the most. along with jack the ripper because he’s so mysterious.
Posted by jennifer hinton | May 28, 2009, 12:58 pmOMG
Posted by Andrew | June 1, 2009, 1:29 am@jennifer hinton: you better watch out, what if someday a serial killer will catch you and torture you….I don´t think by then they still fascinate you. Maybe you won´t even get a chance to tell he fascinated you, because maybe he doesn´t only torture you but he will kill you as well….hahaha, watch out Jennifer with what you say!
Posted by Juliette | June 1, 2009, 10:31 pmPoop in my butt!
Posted by Phoopi | June 2, 2009, 2:37 pm@ Hilda– the analysis of Dr. H.H. Holmes (Mudgett) is fairly accurate on this site; however, the estimate of over 200 people killed is probably a little exaggerated. The lime kilns, dissection tables and furnaces were in the basement. Like the article said there was a chute that the bodies were dumped down to the basement. He also had a airtight safe with a gas vent that backed up to his own office so that he could hear his victim’s struggles for life. After he burned his “castle” he killed his associate and abducted his family. He eventually killed the three children and would have killed the wife if he had not been caught. If you would like to learn more about Holmes I would suggest a great book called “The Devil in The White City.” It intertwines the stories of Dr. Holmes and the architect who drafted the Chicago World’s Fair in 1890.
Posted by Kharm | June 4, 2009, 9:11 pmThese people are CRAZY….but I really enjoyed reading about them. I had no idea who half of these people were….the belle lady shocked the hell out of me…i honestly didn’t think people knew how to do the whole insurance claim thing until…well not that long ago…oh, yeah i also noticed that most of these people had either moms or dads that were crazy themselves or beat them…i think it starts with the parents along with them missing a few cans in they’re six pack
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Posted by Mae | June 6, 2009, 11:37 pmBrian is correct. Cunnan was a spree killer and Manson was a cult leader. He was more of a master manipulator than a killer for he didn’t kill anyone. Also Ed Gein killed two people, not one, but most of the bodies and skulls were that of cadavers that he dug up. However, some do consider him a serial killer. According to the FBI, a serial killer must kill atleast three people with a maximum of 30 days between each murder as a ‘cool off period’. But to the standards of the National Institute of Justice, a serial killer is defined as one who kills two or more victims. Stickler-you are also correct. It was Buffalo Bill who was based on Ed Gein, not Hannibal. As well as Norman Bates from “Psycho” and Leatherface from “Texas Chainsaw Massacre”. And to Sarah, I agree with you. What about Richard Ramirez? He is certainly an infamous serial killer. As well as BTK (Dennis Rader), Hillside Stranglers (Kenneth Bianchi & Angelo Buono), Shoe Fetish Slayer (Jerome Brudos), among others. This list isn’t all that accurate, although moderately interesting. Oh and to Bebo, America has over 300 million people, not 200 million. It’s the third most populated country in the world…but you make a valid point. There are a lot of serial killers in America compared to most other countries. To Ana; this is a list of American serial killers, Jack the Ripper was English, although very famous. And to Alex and Juliette-God bless you both.
Posted by Anonymous | June 7, 2009, 3:38 amThey say that all killers have Lifeless eyes. I can now see that. The scariest thing is that they think this is right and love what they are doing. But mostly, they will never regret it, no matter what they say.
Posted by S.A.Deez | June 7, 2009, 4:25 amthis was a very intresting artical but to be honest i would like to hear more about famous serial killers that are women cause theres only 1 listed but so many more then that!!! Thanx Lotz
Posted by Eileen | June 8, 2009, 10:45 pmYOU PEOPLE NEED TO GET SOMETHING MY FRIENDS CALL A LIFE!!! NO ONE CARES ABOUT WHO DID WHAT OK. IT DOESNT MATTER. SO END ALL YOUR BS BECAUSE NO ONE GIVES A FLYING F***CK. YOU PEOPLE CLAIM TO HAVE INTELLIGENCE FAR GREATER THAN SOMEONE ELSES NERDS. LOOK HALF OF WHAT YOU’RE TOLD IN LIFE IS A LIE ANYWAYS HALF OF WHAT THE MEDIA FEEDS YOU IS A COVER UP GOT IT. SO BILL, JOHN WAYNE GACY, N JULIETTE GO OUT KISS A GIRL OR SOMETHING GET GOT IT GOOD.
THIS HAS BEEN A CRAZY MONKEY CREW ANNOUNCEMENT…….
Posted by VENOM | June 9, 2009, 8:23 amJohn,
You are a moron, Pres Bush responded to the american response, redemption for the deaths of thousands of americans.
Posted by Fireplug | June 13, 2009, 12:12 amWhere does the bike path rapist fit in. He raped and murder some of his victims. He also was not caught for more than twenty years.
This took place in Buffalo N.Y. and was a very interesting case.
Posted by fireplug | June 13, 2009, 12:17 amTo john wayne gacy:
IF U ARE A FORENSIC SCIENTIST WITH A PHD AND ALL OF THAT GOOD STUFF WHAT THE HECK ARE U DOING UP HERE ARGUING W/ PEOPLE? SHOULDN’T U BE BUSY DOING OOTHER THINGS???? MAYBE U SHOULD CHECK URSELF OUT BECAUSE U HAVE SOME SERIOUS PROBLEMS TO WORK OUT WITH YOURSELF AND EVERYONE PLZ STOP REPLYING BACK TO HIM HE JUST WANTS SOME ATTENTION AND IF U GUYS ALL STOP REPLYING BACK TO HIS CORNY A*S COMMENTS MAYBE HE’LL SHUT THE HELL UP!!!
Posted by S.O.S | June 13, 2009, 2:07 pm@Venom: listen here you stupid A.., why should I go out and kiss a girl, I am no f…… lesbian, I hate gay people. Why don’t you catch a hot sh.t, and be gay…dumb a.. !!
Posted by juliette | June 13, 2009, 5:21 pmThis is the zidiac speaking. I did’nt see my name mentioned. Do I have to do my thing all over again?
Posted by zodiac | June 17, 2009, 7:29 pmVincent Bugliosi: “In Manson’s world, he probably felt if he never himself killed anyone but had someone else murder for him, he was thereby immunized or insulated, as it were, from all criminal responsibility. Well, it is not quite that easy, and when you folks come back into this courtroom with your verdict of first-degree murder against Charles Manson, you are going to tell him it’s not quite that easy. In the offbeat world of Charles Manson he probably never heard of this rule of law. Well, he is learning about it right now.”
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Notice how he uses the word ‘probably’. This is ‘probably’ the worst closing argument I’ve ever heard. Manson was convicted through pure speculation and, though I’m not saying he is innocent (as I have no idea), this trial showed a tremendous flaw in the United States justice system. Manson was convicted because of statements the actual killers made. Now, you tell me, do you trust a killer? I sure don’t. So why are we basing our decisions of innocence on the words of people we already know are murderers?
The judicial system, as well as the government, likes to scrutinize when it comes to their rights and what we owe them, but what about us? What about innocent until proven guilty? Show me the evidence pointing to his guilt.
The evidence of his innocence is the lack of evidence proving his guilt.
At any rate, the media (government) sure did make a bundle off of him and his personality.
Posted by Kevin | June 19, 2009, 9:11 pmi find it funny how all the people who try and sound like they are the einstine of the 21st century actually sound like ignorate people who probably have no friends due to them always having to be the most politicaly correct (cough cough juliette ) yeah your smart hun, but your constant arguing gets annoying, i do agree with some of the things you have stated, but turn it down a notch or two.
also, i dont understand how Geroge W. Bush is a serial killer. look up the definition of Serial Killers, and Geroge W. Bush, i dont see any kind of similarities between the two.
Posted by Tony | June 24, 2009, 9:45 pmBush Jr. killed many men even before the gulf war.
Posted by magallanes | June 25, 2009, 2:56 pmSerial Killers fascinate me. Ed Gein is my favorite profile though..how he inspired 3 of my favorite movie villians is kinda cool. I am only 16 but reading about serial killers is probably one of my favorite things to do. They are so interesting. The way they kill, the psychology, the strategies, everything.
P.s George W Bush is more of an IDIOT than anything.
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Posted by babiee | June 26, 2009, 6:20 pmWhat about the killer from Connecticut, Michael Ross
Posted by Taylor | June 26, 2009, 7:27 pmIt makes you wonder, how an individual can get so twisted. What would drive someone to that point?
We talk about other species beginning dangerous but the truth is humans are the MOST dangerous things out there. And, how awful would it be to die like all the unfortunate people who were killed by these men and women?
May God Bless All ~~
Posted by Rachel | June 27, 2009, 9:02 pm@Tony: I write whatever and whenever I want, you can´t tell me what to do and keep yr stupid thinkings for yourself ok?? WTF do you know wether I have friends or not…
Posted by Juliette | June 27, 2009, 10:42 pmThe sick and twisted are among us everyday. It’s almost scary walking in a store or riding a bus knowing that anyone of the people around us can kill tourter or rap us. I watch t.v. every day and listen to the news and I can see how some of the sick and twisted end up doing what they do. And yet the ones who do these insane thangs to us get all the attention and the victims are forgotten so all in all the victims end up being victims even after death while the killer or killers end up being some kind of sick super hero.
Posted by Allenia | June 29, 2009, 1:03 amThese people are insane !! They are sychos !! They kill for stupid unreasonable reasons !! Why would someone want to do that ??! KILL ???!! What if someone killed him/her ??! How would that feel ??! To be honest,, when I first read this I realized how insane some people are !! Who would kill their own family??! Okay.. I guess they may did something to you but atleast there are bloodless solutions ! People need to think before they act ! Can’t you see how awful they are ? How much help they need/needed ? The killings are awful !! It’s so unbelievable ! And even some of them admit it !! =S I couldn’t imagine insanity could lead to killing and death ! These people need therapy !
May God help who needs it more .. !
Posted by Anonymous | June 29, 2009, 12:58 pmIs Trophy Hunting A Form of Serial Killing?
Lion Expert and Conservationist Gareth Patterson Takes Aim
For me and many of the people who contact me to offer their support, killing innocent animals for self-gratification is no different from killing innocent people for self-gratification. By extension, then, trophy hunting–the repeated killing of wild animals–should surely be viewed as serial killing.
In The Serial Killers, the authors also wrote about Robert Hansen, an Alaskan businessman and big-game enthusiast who hunted naked prostitutes through the snow as though they were wild animals, then shot them dead. Hansen would point a gun at his victim, order her to take off all her clothes, and then order her to run. He would give his victims a “start” before stalking them. The actual act of killing his victims, Hansen once said, was an “anti-climax” and that “the excitement was in the stalking.”
How many times have I heard trophy hunters describing their actions in similar terms? “No, hunting is just about killing,” they say. “It’s also about the stalk, the build-up to the kill.”
Hansen was a trophy hunter, who, according to Wilson and Seaman, had achieved “celebrity by killing a Dall sheep with a crossbow.” He also trophy hunted women but, as a married man with a family, he couldn’t put his human trophies next to those elk antlers and bear skins in his den.
As an alternative, Hansen, it was revealed, took items of jewellery from his victims as “trophies” and hid these in his loft so that, as with his animal trophies, he, the hunter, could relive his fantasy-inspired killings whenever he wished to.
Posted by Penny Dumont | June 30, 2009, 8:06 amI think that this is a great way to inform people about the most famous serial killers in America and it helps give us a good look into their minds. However I do think it is kind of disturbing that some people do admire some of these killers.
Posted by Nate | June 30, 2009, 2:16 pm@Juliette….you have no brain. I cannot believe that people still think like you. Who do you think you are saying you hate gay people? How many gay people do you know? You dumb B****!
Posted by Doogie | June 30, 2009, 11:27 pm@Juliette….You have been rambling on about how your people have been persecuted for all of time….Jewish people that is……..You probably don’t even realize that homosexuals were thrown in the concentration camps with the Jews. My point being, why would you preach about your people getting persecuted and then say you hate a group of people that have been just as persecuted as your people. You really are an I***t.
Posted by Doogie | July 2, 2009, 2:06 pm@Doogie: Now listen here you a..hole, I say whatever I want. You gays are an abomination in the eyes of the Lord. You were not born gay, you think you are women, but you are MEN. I don´t like you gays. You are stupid and ridiculous. You cannot ever be a woman, not even when you do operations, you were born a MAN!!! And one thing is for sure: you cannot imitate women, you act very stupid when you gays do like a woman!! You are no women, so don´t imitate one. Be a man. And go cal your female family B….. and I….. ok?
Posted by Juliette | July 2, 2009, 10:41 pmJuliette… you are a bigoted disgusting hypocrite… not only did you have to go and turn this into a political argument, but then you go and say that you hate gays and you think they all want to be women, while blessing people and quoting the Bible at them. Sick in the head you are, and you can say what you want to me, it’ll roll off like water from a duck’s back. Can’t believe there are still people like you in this world.
Posted by Cica | July 3, 2009, 12:08 pm@Cica: you also can say whatever you want to me, I don´t care!! I did not turn this into a political argument, you should read the other comments addressed to me first. Yes, gays want to be women, otherwise they would not have this ridiculous attitude pretending they are women. And I don´t like them.. that´s final and I am free to speak whatever I want, not you or nobody can tell me not to. Comment whatever you want, I dont care..!! Read EVERY comment first before you address something to me. I bet you are soe lesbian…I can´t believe people still accept you people. Sodom and Gomorra that´s what this world is turnin in to!!!!!
Posted by Juliette | July 3, 2009, 8:21 pmThis is a good list information wise; however, it is riddled with spelling, grammar and sentence structure errors! You have a lot of views and this is a pretty successful blog, perhaps it is time to go through it and fix a few of those distracting mistakes!
Posted by Grammar.Guru. | July 3, 2009, 10:35 pmAlso, Juliette…you are entitled to have your own opinion, but others are entitled to theirs as well…
I was raised in a Christian home, went to Christian school all my life, and love my God very much…but unfortunately the God I praise and the God you disgrace are very different. It’s people like you that turn others off to God, and I have encountered many.
Unfortunately your cynicism and judgmental behavior is something you will never feel remorse for.
Lastly, It’s spelled “Gomorrah”.
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Posted by Grammar.Guru. | July 3, 2009, 10:40 pm@Juliette….We will see who ends up burning in hell! I guarantee you have a first class ticket there. You are a horrible, nasty human being. I at least have a heart. I am not even gay. My brother is and he does not act or want to be a woman. You are a cold hearted woman who is going to or already is suffering.
Posted by Doogie | July 5, 2009, 12:16 am@Juliette
I totally agree with them. You are definitely a cynic and judgemental. There is NOTHING wrong with being gay. It is their personal choice and there is nothing you can do about it. If someone chooses to want to be with someone of the same sex it is up to them. You have no say in that matter.
Also, I do believe that being gay is NOT one of the 7 deadly sins… but wrath is. Wrath is uncontrolled feelings of hatred and anger. It is VERY obvious that you have uncontrolled feelings of hatred towards the gay community.. so lets see who will be the one to rot in hell
Posted by babiee | July 5, 2009, 10:16 pmAs a note before I begin: I only wish to insult Juliette in this tirade. If I insult anybody else, I apologize.
*heavy sigh* Good God Almighty Juliette, you certainly are an idiot. One I’d LOVE to meet in person too, just to see evidence that such a stupid person does, in fact, exist.
As a gay teenager, I find your comments not only offensive, but INCREDIBLY inaccurate. I’d seriously like to know how many gay or lesbian people you’ve ever met and actually talked with, do tell in your next post which I’m sure is in the making. Your inaccuracy only proves your ignorance, I do hope you enjoy living in such a blissful world.
You’re entitled to your opinions, I suppose, but really you should keep the intolerance to yourself. Go have a nice little bit*h session with your homophobic friends about “Sodom and Gomorra that´s what this world is turnin in to!!!!!” because that’s clearly the case, seeing as homosexuals are a minority and always have been…Well put, moron. (Who, by the way, can’t spell or even type in general worth a da*n, just thought I’d point that out.)
Does my heart good to see that the world is moving towards acceptance with all the people like you out there to help push it there. *rolls eyes*
Other than that, all I have to say is that it was an interesting article, and I appreciate the comments above that actually stayed on topic, even if the ones that didn’t were far more entertaining.
Oh, and 2 quick after-thoughts:
1. I absolutely love how Juliette went crazy. But not only crazy, crazy about how much smarter she was than everyone else. (Post #123-126). Isn’t it hilarious when people who aren’t smart enough to realize that being tolerant, and even *gasp* accepting, of homosexuals and other minorities is an intelligent choice try to stress their intelligence?
and 2. Juliette, if I am going to hell, I’ll be sure to save you a room right by mine and my boyfriend’s.
Can’t wait to see you there :]
Posted by idiots_disappoint_and_annoy_me | July 7, 2009, 3:13 ambla bla bla, I said what I had to say, and I don´t care about your comments, so don´t even bother…I don´t care about your opinions either.
Posted by Juliette | July 7, 2009, 10:19 pmvery well put, idiots_disappoint_and_annoy_me.
Oh, and Juliette..one word. Bit*h. (:
Posted by babiee | July 8, 2009, 1:00 amwow how many of theses have been made in to a movie?
lot of these are brutal …i also heard that now and days with average day serial killers, that when there caught the’re given a test. that is one question long
background: a girl goes to a funeral and while atteding the funeral she notices a man. in which she has never seen before. in that moment she fell in love with the man. a month later she kills her sister.
Q: why did she kill her sister?
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A: she wanted to see the man again… in order to do so she needed another funeral.
sadly my best friend took this test online and he guessed it right….
Posted by erik | July 8, 2009, 6:31 am@Juliette: ok , you are apperantly (did i spell that right) ignorant about gay’s. So frist off I suggest you spend some time in a gay getto, second sure most gay men want to be a woman but because, not that they just want to be a woman out of nowere” the new crave” , but becuase they feel they are truly are a women, but they were born a man. The point is not all gay people act like women , or want anything to do with a women. by the way the bible says “do not judge others, for by doing so u will be jugde the same way u judge” and i with babbie. ur so full of hate and disgust how can u say that im going to rot in hell for being gay. “love thy neighbor ” doesnt it say that in the bible. God doesnt hate me. he doesnt hate you. but u sadden him with your hateful remarks and crude behavior. one more thing if you didnt care about what people where saying… you wouldn’t be writing trying to defend your-self. by the way i pray for you…
one more thing u started the poiltical argument no one else metioned politics except you. one more thing this country, America , as some like to call it. is a secular goverment. hahah wait you probably dont know whats secular means ….secular=non- religous. So i dnt know why your bringing religon in to politics. prop 8 shouldn’t have passed just because its a theocratric sure right to religon, but the founding fathers wanted the laws to be secular. have fun with your misearble, and hateful life.
Posted by erik | July 8, 2009, 7:05 amThanks babiee :]
So, since I’ve never even touched a Bible in my life, I decided to do some research into the matter. If anyne was planning to use the Bible as a defense for being homophobic, you may wish to take the following quiz and see how well you do.
An engineering professor is treating her husband, a loan officer, to dinner for finally giving in to her pleas to shave off the scraggly beard he grew on vacation. His favorite restaurant is a casual place where they both feel comfortable in slacks and cotton/polyester-blend golf shirts. But, as always, she wears the gold and pearl pendant he gave her the day her divorce decree was final. They’re laughing over their menus because they know he always ends up diving into a giant plate of ribs but she won’t be talked into anything more fattening than shrimp.
Quiz: How many biblical prohibitions are they violating?
The Answer: Well, wives are supposed to be ‘submissive’ to their husbands (I Peter 3:1). And all women are forbidden to teach men (I Timothy 2:12), wear gold or pearls (I Timothy 2:9) or dress in clothing that ‘pertains to a man’ (Deuteronomy 22:5). Shellfish and pork are definitely out (Leviticus 11:7, 10) as are usury (Deuteronomy 23:19), shaving (Leviticus 19:27) and clothes of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19). And since the Bible rarely recognizes divorce, they’re committing adultery, which carries the rather harsh penalty of death by stoning (Deuteronomy 22:22).
Also, the Bible contains only six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn’t mean that God doesn’t love heterosexuals, does it? Of course not. So get over yourself.
Oh, and since I know idiots_disappoint_and_annoy_me is a bit of a mouthful, just call me David.
To end this, I’ve got a quote for everyone. Enjoy. :]
“If homosexuality is a disease, let’s all call in queer to work: ‘Hello. Can’t work today, still queer.’” ~Robin Tyler
So I’m not gonna lie, I’m glad this turned into a political discussion. Way more fun if I do say so myself.
Posted by idiots_disappoint_and_annoy_me | July 9, 2009, 3:11 amWell put David, Grammar Guru, babiee, cica and erik. Thanks to all of you for having a heart.
Posted by Doogie | July 9, 2009, 1:06 pmhhaha lol this is supposed to be a serial killer discussion or sumthing like that and we turned it in to a political argument thats funny
Posted by erik | July 9, 2009, 4:41 pmA small correction – these serial killers should never be referred to “FAMOUS”.
There crimes, words and deeds should be called “INFAMOUS”
Posted by Mary | July 9, 2009, 8:41 pmNo problemo Doogie, to be honest I enjoy arguing with homophobes and the like. It’s basically my favorite pasttime, especially when I’m pleasantly surprised by the number of people who agree with me over them, as I am here. :]
And Juliette, I notice you didn’t bother to answer my question about how many gay people you’ve ever talked to…Not that I wasn’t pretty sure already, but that makes me even more sure the answer is a big, fat 0. It’s a shame really, that you’ve never talked to a single lesbian woman or gay man. Ah well, with your attitude I suppose the only thing you could talk about is how they’re destined for hell, AIDS is God’s cure for the gays, *insert homophobic phrase here*, etc. which can certainly kill a conversation…
Posted by idiots_disappoint_and_annoy_me | July 10, 2009, 6:38 amI came here to read about serial killers and was forced to read what all of you have said. I think you, idiots_disappoint_and_annoy_me, have a way with words, sir. I love the way you defended yourself. When I started out reading (I won’t lie) I agreed with Juliette. I have never really liked gays, if that is politically correct. But as I kept reading I realized that like everyone else you are normal. Not that i’m saying I thought of gays as some alien race but I’m sure you understand. Now I have a whole new respect for your way of thinking. I haven’t talked to many gay men, but I did encounter a lesbian once. She had the hots for me, but anyways I will admit that. Unlike Juliette who is just a moron.
@Juliette- Honey, open your eyes. I realize you’re probably just some loner who comes here to talk S^*t and you go ahead. The only reason you say these idiotic things is because you can hide behind your monitor. If you were face-to-face with any of these people you would not asy a single word. Face it. You are a coward with no true facts. All of these people who have replied to you made you look like a fool. You are a stupid girl and you need some kind of therapy. And unlike you I would actually say these things to your face.
@All of the people who have read her (Juliette’s) comments, and myself…We sure do have alot of patience, don’t we? She sits her talking about things she knows nothing about. I am not an expert on the Bible, don’t get me wrong, but I know God loves everyone. He even loved all the men we came to this Website to read about. All equally. It pained him to see them mirdering and so forth, but he loved them. Maybe even more than he loves the good people if this world. He knew they needed help and I believe he tried very hard to steer them off their paths of destruction.
(again)@ Juliette…I feel sorry for you. I know alot of hypocrites. You are the biggest one I have encounted, yet. I mean I don’t give a S^*t what you said about the politics, that doesn’t matter. How dare youcome here and TRY to make people feel bad about themselves. I would bet God loves any of these “homos” (as you like to call them) more than he likes sitting here watching you trying to make them feel bad about who they are. I’d also bet that you are not half the person that these guys are. At least they know how to love- man or woman/gay or straight. You have no concept of what it means to ‘Love thy Neighbor’- which if you didn’t know entails everyone. Not just good, upstanding citizens. It means love the murderers, the terrorists, the people who cut you off while driving, your exboyfriends, (and yes) even gay people.
So when you have had enough time to comprehend what I’ve said…go ahead and reply. I’m sure you will have some dumb ass remark like “ohh you’re probably a lesbian”, and if that is what you will say I will answer it for you.
“No, I am not a lesbian. I am just the girl who read your stupid posts and decided to set you straight.”
Okay, honey, you can close your jaw now–I’m sure it dropped..
Buh-bye
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 10, 2009, 7:53 amWhoops I made a few typos. You get the point though
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 10, 2009, 7:56 amperhaps there should be a serial killer that only chooses to kill stupid, ignorant, homophobes?
Posted by babiee | July 10, 2009, 1:44 pmPerhaps…but then would be punish this murderer?
What if there was a rebellion from other homophobes who killed him?
Would we then rebel back and kill them?
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 10, 2009, 3:32 pmThat would be absolutely faaaaabulous…sort of =/ We have to remember homophobes are people too, and as much as it may seem sometimes that they deserve to die, it’s part of our duty as superior people to be the better person that we already know we are and not be affected by their meaningless comments to the point where we wish them dead. Because we’re better than that, there is no reason we should stoop to their level. Now, if I could, maybe I could suggest that perhaps there should be a serial killer that killed queer-bashers, because then they’re more doing a service to the community rather than a crime-removing dangerous people from society.
Sorry if that sounded bit*hy at all babiee, ya know I love ya hun!
Posted by idiots_disappoint_and_annoy_me | July 11, 2009, 2:31 amInnocent Bystander, I sincerely thank you for your compliments, and am so glad you’ve had a change of heart. I understand where you’re coming from about the whole realization “that like everyone else you are normal,” because I too, before I came to realize that little detail about myself of course, thought that gays and lesbians were different, and had something…off shall we say? about them. At that point I’d never even met a single gay or lesbian person. Then one thing led to another and I met a gay man at my meeting (basically a Quaker church for those who don’t know) who I’ve learned a lot from. So yeah, I understand where you’re coming from. :]
And you are so right about Juliette I think. I doubt, should the day we ever meet face to face come around *shudder*, she wouldn’t dare say half of those things to me. Although, that could easily be accredited to my not letting her get a word in, because in real life I can talk over her and shut her up, which I unfortunately can’t do here.
Finally, for everyone’s consideration, I’ve come up with a theory that I think logically makes sense as it’s something that afflicts some homosexuals as they are going through the coming out process. I think Juliette might be a lesbian, and this is her denial phase. She’s also taken it a step further as a friend of mine did and become a homophobe, to further prove her heterosexuality which is nothing more than a facade. Best of luck to you Juliette if that is the case, otherwise I hope you can one day meet a gay or lesbian person and have a change of heart as Innocent Bystander did.
Posted by idiots_disappoint_and_annoy_me | July 11, 2009, 6:59 pmNot at all idiots_disappoint_and_annoy_me!
not bit*hy at all!
I actually like your idea better. the ‘Queer-basher’ killer. I like it
Either way, Juliette would obviously end up on that hit list.
P.S
I rather enjoyed how Juliette was rambling on about how Adlof Hitler was a serial killer.. because he killed many Jews.. well he was also a Homophobe. He killed homosexuals aswell, and the disabled. I was really quite shocked that she wasn’t praising him.
Posted by babiee | July 11, 2009, 10:11 pm@idiots_disappoint_and_annoy_me, that really is a long name! I’m glad you understood. After I posetd it I was afraid everyone would take it the wrong way.
*In my situation, I was kind of close to this girl…as friends. I started hanging out with this guy and all of a sudden she started to act really b#&chy around him. Eventually I stopped talking to her, and him…Then one day I went on her myspace and her “sexual orientation” said Bi-sexual. After I saw that I realized why she hated him so much, because I liked him/he liked me. I was a bit creeped out because I had been around her so much and had changed in front of her. I felt betrayed. She never tolde me about it until I messaged her on myspace. I was absolutely apalled that someone would take advantage of me like that. It really hurt me. I have never really -had a problem- with gay men, I just don’t get close to chicks I know are gay anymore!!
about Juliette- I think you are right. MAybe she is in denial. Or maybe she doesn’t actually feel like that about the issue. I just think she has nothing better to do than come here and talk S*^t. ya know? I mean- why else would she continue to sit here and talk trash…
I think it’s quite stupid. I’m afraid to say the extremity of how I feel because I don’t want her to feel like complete trash
Haha but she’s just a moron.
And about meeting her, I would advise you not to. *You might catch her dumbness* lol
I don’t really think us making up any serial killers is a good idea… that would be lowering to their level, and you don’t want to do that.
Wasn’t “Jeffrey Dahmer” A Queer-Basher? I read a Larry King interview about him and it said most of his victims were also homosexual.
(Plus- if a “Queer-Bashing” serial killer were to come about Juliette would probably lead the authoritie straight to this website. Then we’d all be screwed… haha)
Thank you for taking the time to read my short-stories. These posts are sooo long.
I only wish Juliette had something more to say about what I’ve said to her. I am just curious about what her dumb @$$ has to say…
Until next time,
Innocent Bystander
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 13, 2009, 7:51 amI make quite a few typos. For that I am sorry.
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 13, 2009, 7:53 amOne thing I have to say: God created Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and STEVE!!!!!
Posted by @@@@@ | July 13, 2009, 9:15 amWhen I called Jeffrey Dahmer a Queer-Basher I meant to say he killed men that were gay. I wrote it wrong. It doesn’t sound right the way that it is.
So Sorry
;..(
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 13, 2009, 1:04 pmWhy is it that when a male homophobe sees two gay men kissing, they find it repulsive, but when that same homophobe sees two gay WOMEN kissing, they ‘love it’ and get ‘turned on’??
sorry, but this, to me anyways, is STUPID.
Posted by babiee | July 14, 2009, 1:20 am@babiee, their hypocrics ( srry if i spelled it wrong). although I have met a few men (hetro-homophobes) that didnt like seeing women haveing sex at all. actually no there not hypocrics ( again im srry) its a pride thing, and sort of proof of there, “hetrosexualality”. Yes, it is stupid.
Also, some men don’t like looking at other mens penis’s (<<<was that spelled right?).
So, like my uncle he enjoys lesbian porn, because it shows he "loves vigina". straight men and their pride. Its sad, because if they felt secure about their sexual prefrenece ( again iim srry) they would need to prove anything. OH well.
@the @@@@@ guy….. no he didnt just create them there were brothers and sisters not just adam and eve so possiblitites are someone was gay.
Posted by erik | July 14, 2009, 4:59 amYes, they are hypocrites.
I rather enjoy this little discussion.
I find myself here reading and writing posts when I should working…
Haha.
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 14, 2009, 7:10 am@Babiee- The men you have seen/heard about getting turned on by watching girls kiss probably are not watching lesbians. Many straight girls kiss other girls just to get a reaction out of men. Stupid girls—they’ll do anything to please a man.
Give a girl a drink and she’ll do pretty much anything. It disgusts me. I am a 100% straight male and I hate girls like that. If she’ll do it to turn you on when you date her she’ll do it with someone else.
It sickens me that girls act like this. I don’t want a tramp. I want a girl who is intelligent-not just book smarts, street smarts too- I want her to know if someone is taking advantage of her. I definately don’t want her sleeping with my best friends. I want her to be funny-the kind of funny I can laugh at and she won’t get offended. She has to be caring…likes animals, people, the whole nine yards. I want a girl I would be proud to have meet my parents.
It is really sad that there aren’t many of those. If you disagree…LOOK AROUND YOU!
All these girls are just…I don’t even have a word to place on it.
Please tell me if you know any like I mentioned above!
Ha, good luck finding one.
-17 year old Ray
Posted by Let's call me 17 year old Ray | July 14, 2009, 7:28 amI didn’t mean to sound like a D!#k ladies…
Posted by Let's call me 17 year old Ray | July 14, 2009, 3:09 pmI dont want this to be taken the wrong way, but I have always wanted a gay friend. because I dont get along well with other girls. but i get along with guys very well. but there are somethings that I cant talk to a straight guy about.
just one of the reasons I would kick anyones ass if they bashed any homosexual. (:
Posted by babiee | July 14, 2009, 3:59 pmi must admit, i have found this entire conversation to be quite the talk. i find it interesting that anyone could be so entirely ignorant, (@ Juliette), and that gay men and lesbian women are capable of being so proud and protective of their orientation. it is an admiration, of sorts, that there are still people out there who WILL stand up for who they are, and dont back down and cowar in the presence of the idiots whom Miss Juliette is such a perfect example of. :]
Posted by this.is.how.i.disappear. | July 15, 2009, 2:11 am@babiee, its strange how most women when a guy comes out to them…..they say “omg i always wanted a gay friend” its funny how that happens… but yeah gay ppl, we’re the best to talk to. straight guys are just akward.
@innocent Bystander, same here, i came to this website to research serial killers for a summer project and this sidetracked me.
Posted by erik | July 15, 2009, 5:24 am@erik- we are not alone! haha
@ray- I never knew there were guys like you out there! Where have you been all of my life? Don’t give up hope, there are still good women out there…
I am sad Juliette hasn’t come back to make a fool out of herself
;(
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 15, 2009, 1:56 pm@ Ray;
).. Women ask why men assume they are better than us and wonder why they are called these rude names like tramp, and other things, but it is because of this. I am definitly not one of these girls and I can not even have a 5 minute conversation with these girls without turning hostile.
I know what you are talking about. These people are the reason I do not get along well with girls. Almost every other girl I know acts like this and it makes me want to rip her hair out (not to sound violent or anything
If anyone ever tried to take advantage of me I would kick their ass. I am my own person and I am quite happy with that.
@ Innocent Bystander;
I am sad Juliette has not returned either
Posted by babiee | July 15, 2009, 6:53 pm@ Innocent Bystander & Babiee, well since shes gone mabye everyone can go back to the serial killers. hahaha it was hilarious watching her make a complete idiot out of herself. sshe probably comes back to see what we wrote but doesnt have the balls to say anything , because she knows we’re right.
Posted by erik | July 16, 2009, 4:19 am@Babiee and Innocent Bystander- Thank you ma’am(s). When I wrote that about stupid bit&#s I was afraid all of the women on this site would start a revolt against me. I guess I was wrong. Two out of Two agree. I wish i knew you two girls…well at least one. I’m sure you don’t like to share, and neither do I.
I will attempt to start a conversation about serial killers, now.
I think Jeffrey Dahmer is the worst. I’m sorry if you diasagree. I loked at photos of the crime scenes, victims, and autopsy photos. They are absolutely disgusting. One had his whole torso cut out. Sick…
Posted by Let's call me 17 year old Ray | July 16, 2009, 7:21 am@any one on this site-
“Where do you stand? Honoring love as precious and true wherever you find it, or with those who would demean or deny it? I urge you. Stand where you can be proud. Stand with service and truth. Stand with love. Stand for liberty and justice for all.”
FROM INNOCENT BYSTANDER- I saw this on a site about the “2009 Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month” annd I thought it fit us quite well.
@Ray- Haha I do agree with you. That is why 7/8 of my frineds are male. I have two really good girl friends (which aren’t like those dumb c*nts we talk about). All the rest are guys. Which makes it hard to get a boyfriend because for some reason guys get really intimidated when the only people you hang out with are dudes. And that sucks. Who needs a boyfriend though? Nah, not me. For the moment at least. NOt until I meet the guy that wants his girl to be like what Ray wants.
I won’t hold my breath!!
Haha
@all of you- Girls aren’t the only problem, you know. Guys can be complete douche bags. Alot of them are. The only guys I’ve ever been with are all douche bags. Well bot all. Two weren’t. Well actually one. The other left me-which automatically puts him on the jerk list. ONE GUY out of how many? alot. But I did not sleep with all of them- so don’t think I am a whore.
ANYWAYS- Men can be jerks girls can be bitches. Yet somehow people fall in love. I was only in love one time. One rela time. I’ve had teen love, only one time was I actually in love-ready to die for him, run away with him-all that. My parents HATED him, so much they told him they would get a Restraining order against him. He couldn’t risk that. HE had to go to college. So I was left here, alone, waiting to die. Then I realized if he left he wasn’t worth my tears. So here I am now…happy and just enjoying life.
I don’t need a man to make me whole.
I just need myself, which is all that I want…for now.
Anyone know how I feel?
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 16, 2009, 7:44 am@ Ray
haha no problem. I was actually very relieved there is actually a guy like that out there.
but I do actually disagree with your Jeffery Dahmer statement
I think that Ed Gein was worse than Jeffery Dahmer. Concidering he dug up corpses, skinned them so he could make a human suit, used the rest of their body parts for food and furnisher, and eventually killed women for ‘fresh skin’. Don’t get me wrong, Jeffery Dahmer was bad, I just think Ed Gein was worse.
@Innocent Bystander
I know exactly what you are talking about. Guys can be such ignorant douchbags. I too have dated alot of guys, but have not slept with any of them, so I also know how you feel when you say “so don’t think I am a whore”. I have had guys act completely amazing and sweet before we start dating, then he turns into a complete loser and treats me like shi*t. I’ve also had guys break up with me because I wont ‘put-out’. So, yes, I know EXACTLY what you mean. Guys can be douchbags and girls can be ( well, most of them are ;P) bitches.
You do not need a man to make you whole, especially when you have friends and family who will be there for you at all times. Don’t worry, you will eventually meet someone just like Ray described and will be completely wonderful. Thats what I am waiting on.
Posted by babiee | July 16, 2009, 1:37 pm@Babiee- I def like you AALLOOTT more than Juliette. Lol. Actually, there never was a comparison. I have made a shit ton of mistakes- involving guys. I’m glad to hear that you don’t put out. That’s the last thing I need. An internet friend who is secretly a skank. LOL j/k Babiee. Anyways, I know there are alot of nice guys out there, I miss out on some of them because they tend to be older. At least older guys aren’t immature like the 16yr olds my age.
And jus ttoday I found out I guy I HAD been seeing had a girlfriend the whole time, now she’s pissed @me and wants to fight. ‘cept she odn’t know where I live. Let the bitch find me. I’ll kick her ass..and any friends she brings with her.
Bye for now.
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 16, 2009, 2:47 pmForgive me..I decided to shorten my name…
@Babiee- Yes, now that I think about it (you convinced me) ED is worse. They’re both bad! All serial killers are bad, doi! Haha
I wish I would have gotten the pleasure to make this “Juliette” look dumb like all of the rest of you.
My two fave comebacks are Idiots_disappoint_and_annoy_me and Innocent bystander.
@INNOCENT BYSTANDER- you showed her, girl! The way you told her to pick up her jaw- genious!!
FROM INNOCENT’S POST
“If you were face-to-face with any of these people you would not asy a single word. Face it. You are a coward with no true facts. All of these people who have replied to you made you look like a fool. You are a stupid girl and you need some kind of therapy. And unlike you I would actually say these things to your face.”
God you have a way with words. She probably cried when she read your post.HAHA
MORE FROM INNOCENT’S POST-
“How dare youcome here and TRY to make people feel bad about themselves. I would bet God loves any of these “homos” (as you like to call them) more than he likes sitting here watching you trying to make them feel bad about who they are. I’d also bet that you are not half the person that these guys are. At least they know how to love- man or woman/gay or straight. You have no concept of what it means to ‘Love thy Neighbor’- which if you didn’t know entails everyone. Not just good, upstanding citizens. It means love the murderers, the terrorists, the people who cut you off while driving, your exboyfriends, (and yes) even gay people.”
You guys read this and didn’t commend her for how great it is??? HOW DARE YOU!!
lol but honestly—innocent, you, my dear, must marrry me…haha I wish there was a woman would stand up to everyone like the way you did. Good Job! Sorry it took so long for me to tell you how awesome it is.
***Now it is time for everyone who liked her post{if you haven’t read it READ it} (Innocent Bystander Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 7:53 am) TELL HER…tell her what you think. good, amazing, great, anything. We need to give our friends feed back. If someone says something powerful tell them!! From now on…
-Ray
Posted by 17 year old ray | July 16, 2009, 2:56 pm@ Innocent Bystander – ahaha thanks. LOL definitly not a skank, dont worry
.. haha I know. All the 16year old guys my age are so immature.
hahah, just another reason why alot of guys are douchbags.
Posted by babiee | July 16, 2009, 3:23 pm@ babiee and innocent, ok i was wondering if u could help me out. One of my friends is in love with this guy. like ready to die for,kill for yadada. anyway he loves her too but he acts like an ass everytime. one time he said he loved her, she repliled u do?. the he said no i was kidding i love every one. see but the thing is is that, a year ago he was with this girl who then cheated on him, but he ws in omega love with her. im thinking he doesnt want to trust anyone so he luvs my friend but hes to afraid to say anything.
he would tell her he trust her but always acts like an ass, sort of like pushing away so he doesnt get hurt….,. my friend always looks to me fer advise. cuz im like her gay boyfriend. shes my “straight GF”. any comments on wat she should do?
Posted by erik | July 16, 2009, 6:36 pm@ erik, I think the first thing that needs to be done is this guy needs to realize that not every girl is like his last. There are girls out there who would never cheat on him and who would never hurt him purposly. I think your friend should sit down with him and have a serious coversation. Earn his trust by telling him secrets about her that no one else knows or something.. just earn his trust somehow. Then she should tell him how she feels about him. not just “i like you,” but really say how she feels. Then she should tell him that she isnt like his last girlfriend, and would never do anything like that..
..I hate girls who actually cheat in a relationship. Not just girls, cause guys do it too. How could anyone live with themselves after that? knowing that they just broke the trust, honesty and love they had in a relationship.
Girls who cheat are useless. All they do is ruin the guy..making it harder for him to love again.
Posted by babiee | July 16, 2009, 7:31 pm@babiee thank u, hopefully that wrks….becuz theres also this thing,,,,,i think hes gay… but im not sure, but he says he lovres her…but thank you hopefully she listens…
i totally agree
Posted by erik | July 17, 2009, 2:37 amwell i talked to her today and shes planning on fighting fire with fire…… she wants to do the same thing that he does to her…..i told her it was a bad idea….but no she wont listen….
Posted by erik | July 17, 2009, 2:41 am@Erik- Oh no! Don’t let her do that. All that iwll do is piss him off.
I think you should talk to both of them. If she is truly in love with him and you think she wouldn’t hurt him, tell him that. I’m sure he’d trust you. I agree with Babiee 100 percent. I was going thru all the things your girl friend could do before i read what babiee said and i came up with exactly what she said. Your girl friend needs to remind the guy she isn’t like the last girl, and she would never hurt him. Actions speak louder than words, though.
Warn her not to fight “fire with fire”. hasn;”t she heard the rest of the saying??
“If you fight FIRE with FIRE all you get is a BIGGER FLAME”
My god…remind her how the erst of that old saying goes, maybe she won’t do it. Or tell her to come to this website so us girls (me and babiee) can talk some sense in to her.
We (well idk about babiee). I have been through this with a guy- now that i think about it i did love him (i said yesterday there was only one). He’s my good friend. Anyways, he had a relationship where he dated a girl for 2 years, and on their 2yr. anniversary she slept with his BEST FRIEND. He was devastated. It took him a long time to open back up to anyone but me and the rest of the guys we’re in a circle with. By this time I was falling in love with him. Hard. But I wouldn’t dare to tell him that. I was there for him no matter what. I couldn’t ruin that friendship with my feelings. So he started dating this girl. She was truly one of the skanks we talk about. Iknew she was bad news, and tried to warn him several times. But he thought she was perfect. She lied to get him to be with her. SHe told him she didn’t smoke, drink, or do drugs-just because he didn’t do those things. Later on he found out she did. Then she became demanding-she would try to force him to have sex with her. He’s one of those guys who likes to know he loves the girl before sex-and keep in mind he had his heart broken by his gf of 2yrs. So then they start to argue-and guess what-she cheats. more than once. He dumps her. So now I am so in love with this guy it’s pitiful. By now he trusts me, right? So i decide to tell him how I feel. Turns out he still has trust issues. So i stay by his side and make him know i would never hurt him. We were closer friends than he was with any of the guys. And, after a few weeks he tells me how he feels. We were both head over heels for eachother. It was great.
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 17, 2009, 7:50 amI just had to remind him I am not like those two girls that broke his trust. I would not cheat.
And I would tell him- _______(insert name) those girl swere so stupid to mess things up with you. You are an amazing person and anyone who doesn’t treat you as such doesn’t deserve to talk to you.
But, now we’re just close friends again. Things don’t always work out…but we’re going to give it another try. The only problem with our relationship is that he’s going to college. And I’m still in high school.
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 17, 2009, 7:56 amInteresting conversaton. You ladies are right about this situaton. They need to talk, and she needs to reassure him she isn’t like the rest.
I think we should talke a poll…who had the best comebacks to Juliette?
A. Innocent
B. idiots_disappoint_and_annoy_me
C.erik
D.babiee
No offense to anyone…my vote goes to A. INNOCENT BYSTANDER
Posted by Let's call me 17 year old Ray | July 17, 2009, 8:23 amAwh. Thanks Ray. I like to speak my mind…everyone who said something to her *usually* did a good job. There were a few close to the top that were iffy. Where is everyone today? I am used to people replying…now noone is.
“It’s just me and you, and you and me- aloooone together….. I can’t see me lovin nobody but you….”
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 17, 2009, 9:59 am“for aaal myy life…”
Marry me innocent…wait…how old are you? I hope you aren’t like sum 30 year old hag! *no offense if anyone here is 30
*
Posted by Let's call me 17 year old Ray | July 17, 2009, 10:10 am@Ray…
“And I’m still in high school.”
As I said earlier ^
Btw- I am sixteen
Are you truly 17?
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 17, 2009, 10:28 amI will be for 2 more months…
Untill then we’re legal…haha
Posted by Let's call me 17 year old Ray | July 17, 2009, 10:57 amHaha…There really is noone else but us. How creepy. Usually at least one person says something. Ray…I have something funny. Want to see it?
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 17, 2009, 11:42 amLemme have it!
Posted by Let's call me 17 year old Ray | July 17, 2009, 11:50 amWellhung: Hello, Sweetheart. What do you look like?
Sweetheart: I am wearing a red silk blouse and a miniskirt and high heels. My measurements are 36-24-36. I work out every day. I’m toned and perfect. What do you look like?
Wellhung: I’m 6’3″ and about 250 pounds. I wear glasses and I have on a pair of blue sweatpants I just bought at Walmart. I am also wearing a T-shirt with a few spots of barbecue sauce on it from dinner – it smells a little funny.
Sweetheart: I want you. Would you like to screw me?
Wellhung: OK.
Sweetheart: We’re in my bedroom. There’s soft music playing on the stereo and candles on my dresser and night table. I’m looking up into your eyes, smiling. My hand works its down to your crotch and begins to fondle your huge, swelling bulge.
Wellhung: I’m gulping. I’m beginning to sweat.
Sweetheart: I’m pulling up your shirt and kissing your chest.
Wellhung: Now I’m unbuttoning your blouse. My hands are trembling.
Sweetheart: I’m moaning softly.
Wellhung: I’m taking hold of your blouse and sliding it off slowly.
Sweetheart: I’m throwing my head back in pleasure. The cool silk slides off my warm skin. I’m rubbing your bulge faster, pulling and rubbing.
Wellhung: My hand suddenly jerks spastically and I accidently rip a hole in your blouse. I’m sorry.
Sweetheart: That’s OK, it wasn’t really too expensive.
Wellhung: I’ll pay for it.
Sweetheart: Don’t worry about it. I’m wearing a lacy black bra. My soft breasts are rising and falling, rising and falling, as I breath harder and harder.
Wellhung: I’m fumbling with the clasp on your bra. I think it’s stuck. Do you have any scissors?
Sweetheart: I take your hand and kiss it softly. I’m reaching back and undoing the clasp. The bra slides off my body. The air caresses my breasts. My nipples are erect for you.
Wellhung: How did you do that? I’m picking up the bra and inspecting the clasp.
Sweetheart: I’m arching my back. Oh baby. I just want to feel your tongue all over me.
Wellhung: I’m dropping the bra. Now I’m licking your, you know, breasts. They’re neat!
Sweetheart: I’m running my fingers through your hair. Now I’m nibbling your ear.
Wellhung: I suddenly sneeze. Your breasts are covered with spit.
Sweetheart: What?
Wellhung: I’m so sorry. Really.
Sweetheart: I’m wiping your spit off my breasts with the remains of my blouse.
Wellhung: I’m taking the sopping wet blouse from you. I drop it with a plop.
Sweetheart: OK. I’m pulling your sweatpants down and rubbing your hard tool.
Wellhung: I’m screaming like a woman. Your hands are cold! Yeeee!
Sweetheart: I’m pulling up my miniskirt. Take off my panties.
Wellhung: I’m pulling off your panties. My tongue is going all over, in and out, nibbling on your … umm … wait a minute.
Sweetheart: What’s the matter?
Wellhung: I’ve got a pubic hair caught in my throat. I’m choking.
Sweetheart: Are you OK?
Wellhung: I’m having a coughing fit. I’m turning all red.
Sweetheart: Can I help?
Wellhung: I’m running to the kitchen, choking wildly. I’m fumbling through the cabinets, looking for a cup. Where do you keep your cups?
Sweetheart: In the cabinet to the right of the sink.
Wellhung: I’m drinking a cup of water. There, that’s better.
Sweetheart: Come back to me, lover.
Wellhung: I’m washing the cup now.
Sweetheart: I’m on the bed, aching for you.
Wellhung: I’m drying the cup. Now I’m putting it back in the cabinet. And now I’m walking back to the bedroom. Wait, it’s dark. I’m lost. Where’s the bedroom.
Sweetheart: Last door on the left at the end of the hall.
Wellhung: I found it.
Sweetheart: I’m tugging off your pants. I’m moaning. I want you so badly.
Wellhung: Me too.
Sweetheart: Your pants are off. I kiss you passionately – our naked bodies pressing against each other.
Wellhung: Your face is pushing my glasses into my face. It hurts.
Sweetheart: Why don’t you take off you glasses?
Wellhung: OK, but I can’t see very well without them. I place the glasses on the night table.
Sweetheart: I’m bending over the bed. Give it to me, baby!
Wellhung: I have to pee. I’m fumbling my way blindly across the room and toward the bathroom.
Sweetheart: Hurry back, lover.
Wellhung: I find the bathroom. It’s dark. I’m feeling around for the toilet. I lift the lid.
Sweetheart: I’m waiting eagerly for your return.
Wellhung: I’m done going. I’m feeling around for the flush handle, but I can’t find it. Uh-oh!
Sweetheart: What’s the matter now?
Wellhung: I’ve realized that I’ve peed into your laundry hamper. Sorry again. I’m walking back to the bedroom now, blindly feeling my way.
Sweetheart: Mmm, yes. Come on.
Wellhung: OK, now I’m going to put my … you know … thing … in your … you know … woman’s thing.
Sweetheart: Yes! Do it, baby! Do it!
Wellhung: I’m touching your smooth butt. It feels so nice. I kiss your neck. Umm, I’m having a little trouble here.
Sweetheart: I’m moving my ass back and forth, moaning. I can’t stand it another second! Slide it in! Screw me now!
Wellhung: I’m flaccid.
Sweetheart: What?
Wellhung: I’m limp. I can’t sustain an erection.
Sweetheart: I’m standing up and turning around, an incredulous look on my face.
Wellhung: I’m shrugging with a sad look on my face, my weiner all floppy. I’m going to get my glasses and see what’s wrong.
Sweetheart: No, never mind. I’m getting dressed. I’m putting on my underwear. Now I’m putting on my wet, nasty blouse.
Wellhung: No wait! Now I’m squinting, trying to find the night table. I’m feeling along the dresser, knocking over cans of hair spray, picture frames and your candles.
Sweetheart: I’m buttoning my blouse. Now I’m putting on my shoes.
Wellhung: I’ve found my glasses. I’m putting them on. My God! One of your candles fell on the curtain. The curtain is on fire! I’m pointing at it, a shocked look on my face.
Sweetheart: Go to hell. I’m logging off, you loser!
Wellhung: Now the carpet is on fire! Oh noooo!
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 17, 2009, 11:53 amOMG! where is every one?
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 17, 2009, 1:52 pmhahahahahahahahahahah oh my gosh, that made me laugh Innocent
Posted by babiee | July 17, 2009, 8:05 pmInnocent, your actually 16? wow. haha thats pretty awesome.. I was afraid I was the only 16-year-old interested in serial killers, ahah
Posted by babiee | July 17, 2009, 8:33 pmKing James Is apon you all, nice to meet you
Posted by King James | July 17, 2009, 10:13 pm…………..
Posted by King James | July 17, 2009, 10:23 pmumm to all you people who think george dubya started the war, did you miss the part in history class where it has to pass congress by two thirds vote get real
Posted by greg land | July 18, 2009, 12:00 am@innocent, srry i havent replied, i was on a date with my BF. ummm thznk u fer the advice…. sum of wat u have told me i have told her…. but no she wants to get back at him . you know i may just tell her to come here. but thank u babiie and innocent… btw that was hilarious, the sskit hahahah thats funnny.
Posted by erik | July 18, 2009, 3:15 am@erik dont let her do that! tell her to come here. Innocent and I will make it right
Posted by babiee | July 18, 2009, 12:20 pm.
Posted by King James | July 18, 2009, 5:09 pmWhy did kurt cobain kill himself?
Posted by King James | July 18, 2009, 6:29 pm@babiee, i”ve been tryiing to, i will tell her thnk you
Posted by erik | July 18, 2009, 11:18 pmyou people need to get your facts rite h.h. holmes or dr.holmes as you call it killed for more then jus 2 years
Posted by jester | July 20, 2009, 3:46 amJester, Holmes went on a major killing spree only from 1893 onwards. It was during this period that a majority of the killing was done.
Posted by Usha | July 23, 2009, 12:55 pmseriously get your facts rite you got bundys and geins timeline all wrong come on people these are my heros dont discrace them
Posted by jester | July 20, 2009, 3:49 am@Greg Land- No one has recently said anything about George W. Bush! Mind your own business… WE only talk about things that matter…like stupid whores, Juliette (the one who posts dumb sh**), and relationships. Go find another website if all you are interested in is defending Bush. Thx
@King James- Sorry everyones been ignoring you! Well, hello. I’m innocent. Not really, that’s just what I call myself. lol
Well him, And God. I’m sure God knows. I’ll ask him when I see him… haha 
I think the only person who would know why Kurt Cobain killed himself was the man himself.
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 20, 2009, 7:04 amHEY YOU TOOK OUR CONVERSATION DOWN!!
WHY?
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 20, 2009, 10:01 amAm I on probation now?
Look, I am sorry about earlier…won’t happpen again.
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 20, 2009, 10:02 amHey, what happened? Was that too graphic. I knew we shouldn’t've done that innocent. Geez. now we’re screwed.
Posted by Let's call me 17 year old Ray | July 20, 2009, 10:03 am@jester- I wouldn’t be admitting serial killers are your heroes, idiot. They are the monsters of siciety. The reason people lie awake at night. Don’t say stupid things, mmk?
exibit A-
jester Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 3:49 am
these are my heros dont discrace them
Moronic thing to say jester
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 20, 2009, 10:06 amSORRY HASAAN
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 20, 2009, 10:53 amLook, I apologize about earlier. I won’t use language like that again. I promise. I messed up. Fogive me. I know we aren’t supposed to use profanity, or lewd comments. I had a lapse in judgement. Please forgive me. Everyone: I am sorry.
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 20, 2009, 11:45 am@Innocent bystander- You are dumb! Why did you have and explicit conversation with Ray?
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 20, 2009, 3:18 pm@ jester – these people are your heros? come on. As a child, who HONESTLY says “I want to be just like Ted Bundy when I grow up!
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I agree with innocent (again). Dont say stupid things.
Posted by babiee | July 20, 2009, 4:24 pmwell well well, I came to this website for a good read and well…the forum seemed to give me more of a read lol From GW, to Ed not killing , to random jews and hitler to even a sex convo…wow, serial killers make quite an impression lol
My views- 1: GW was not a serial killer, but he did order ppl too.
2: Solders choose to be solders, they kill because they signed up too!
3: Hitler killer no one but himself, he got greedy and used his powers for evil.
4: Adam Sandler is a jew and he’s sexy and therefor Jew=good good lol
5: This site is missing a few ppl but thats ok too
6: Egyption and Pagans were around long before jews or cathlolics and the bible was writen buy MAN!…sick man who had dissorders just like the crazzys in this site, they had voices in there heads, and saw things that were not there, they were crazy( burning Bushes that talk? LMAO) SUURE ok!
Posted by Impotant | July 20, 2009, 8:22 pmI agreed, serial killers are monsters of society but they are very entertaining so i kinda understand why people admire them but on the hand it says alot about yourself if you really like serial killers. And nice to meet you too innocent.
Posted by King James | July 21, 2009, 3:27 amInnocent Bystander, the comedy sketch thing……….HALARIOUS!!
um yeah i know am late too reading it….
Posted by King James | July 21, 2009, 3:51 am@babiee- Thx for agreeing with me!
@important- adam sandler is sexyy! lol but I disagree about the last part. Yeah, man wrote the bible…where’d they get the sroty though? God does exist.
@king james- I don’t admire serial killers..i think it is intriging (misspelled?) to know why they did what they did…
And to EVERYONE- google that band, Macabre. They have some awesomely sick songs. One whole album is dedicated to J. Dahmer!! WHOA!
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 21, 2009, 3:23 pm@important, same here i was side tracked with the forum
Posted by erik | July 22, 2009, 3:38 amwhere’d they get the *sroty* though?
TYPO- *story*
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 22, 2009, 7:28 amYou must remember:
Those who aspire to heal follow those in the medical profession;
Those who aspire to teach follow those in the teaching profession;
Those with a desire to kill follow those who kill.
Yes, there are some children that actually say they want to be like Ted Bundy or John Wayne Gacy when they are growing up.
Unfortunately, their parents don’t or won’t see the signs and either get them treatment early, or off them early. And, yes, by off them, I mean kill them young.
I’d rather see one parent off their offspring than see that offspring grow up and kill in masses.
Unfortunately, we can’t be positively sure whose child is going to do what when they are grown.
Posted by Lucky 7 | July 22, 2009, 10:40 am@babiee- you can tell how interested in serial killers i am…i have barely talked about them!!
@All Y’all- LOOK UP MACABRE—Awesome…yet creepy…and scary..but cool
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 22, 2009, 11:38 am@Innocent Bystander: Where did they get the story from? there twisted genius minds!:) Same with the righter of harry potter, loard of the rings, or the ppl who right tv shows and movies, just because someone says there true doesn’t mean that it is. I can wright a book tomarow saying the worlds going to end if everyone doesn’t ware neon yellow…doesn’t mean it is or that you should beleive it. Specialy is i hear voices in my head telling me to talk to a burning bush, or watching a stick turn into a snake thats called MUSHROOMS, which by the way were grown in the wild in thoughs times same with marijuana:) So you really shouldn’t beleive every scitso or high person just because there books are very entertaining!
Posted by Important | July 22, 2009, 4:37 pm@Lucky 17- yes, the sacrifice of one for the people they would end up killing is definately worth it. Morbid, I know. But I do agree with you!
@IMPORTANT- wow…you can’t spell for sh*t. First of all, none of those authors have tried to tell us their books are real. That’s why if you go to the LIBRARY (where you should be. Learning how to spell) you would find Harry Potter and The Lord of The Rings in the fiction area. Honestly, I don’t give two sh*ts if you believe in God. More room in Heaven for the rest of us. But, blaming the story of God on people being high is totally wrong, and off the wall. You have to have faith, to believe, I guess. Which you obviously don’t have. And that makes me pity you. Wouldn’t you rather believe there is someone up there protecting you? Wouldn’t you feel safer if you knew you’d have a better life after death? I was not raised in a Christian home, I found my salvation later. I’m only sixteen, I went through some hard times. After I lived through them, and my heart was healed I knew there had to be someone watching over me. And I don’t think I’m wrong about this…but you have a right to your opinion, and I will respect that. I hope you find God…
That’s all folks!
-Innocent
Posted by Innocent Bystander | July 23, 2009, 7:22 am@Usha- you’re a l